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Post by bumbleb33 on Dec 8, 2013 15:28:58 GMT
This is the third day of our boy being at home and he has been crying hysterically for 2 hours. He is not hungry, has been changed, but he is clearly tired and very possibly confused and sad by his fc no longer being around. We've not seen him like this before, it is so distressing and we just can't settle him.
It's this common?! Any advice??
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Post by dimple on Dec 8, 2013 15:40:36 GMT
We haven't had our little boy placed with us yet, but from experience with ours bc and looking after a little boy on a temporary kinship order, we have found baths sometimes work as a complete distraction. Then hopefully warm milk, a cuddle and sleep. Thinking of you, this is what I am dreading about placement
Mum to 3 birth children, linked to 12 month old little boy. Hopefully coming home at beginning of January.
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Post by shadow on Dec 8, 2013 17:06:06 GMT
In the long run the fact he is showing a reaction is healthy - but terribly distressing for you all- lots of cuddles, nurturing - not having had a baby placed I cant giube specific advice - but am sure there will be folk who have been there, done that and survied
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Post by smileycat on Dec 8, 2013 17:18:48 GMT
Hello there bumble,
Yes, very normal, Spud was placed with us at 17 months and did lots of hysterical, desperate, helpless crying in the early days.
He was terrified and it was his only way of saying I've had enough of this game, I'm scared and I want to go home, where has my world gone.
It's awful, you feel helpless too.
Just stay near him, be near him if he won't let you hold him. Ultimately he has to grieve for his loss to move on.
I promise you all will be well. Spud is 100% our little boy now, but the early day and nights where he didn't sleep were harder than anything I could of imagined.
Sending you a big hug,
With love,
SC x x
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 17:41:25 GMT
Keep him as close to you as possible if he will let you. Carry him in a sling if you can, lots of quiet time and soothing pats on his back like a Mums heartbeat in the womb, will help.
Have a read of the "Intro's and Beyond" thread pinned at the top of the Approved Adopters Board, there are loads of tips in there.
He will settle eventually and you may have sleepless days and nights until then, because as Smileycat said, he is grieving, he is missing his FC, and he is scared, he doesn't understand what is happening and will more than likely go off his food too, just make sure he is drinking, even if it is only water/milk as he will dehydrate quickly especially if he is crying a lot.
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Post by phoebe on Dec 8, 2013 18:00:31 GMT
bumbleb33, I'm afraid I disagree with the others! I think if a 12 month old baby is sobbing for such a long time there may actually be something wrong as well as the stress of the move. Have you checked ears? Temperature? Definitely if he's confused and tired he may well cry more than usual, but I would not expect that length of time. I know it's hard when you are starting out, but there are lots of different types of cries. If it's very high pitched, that would be a warning sign it's physical and more serious. Sobbing and gasping may suggest it's the emotional stress. I'd expect he would dissociate and sleep more than ususal if it was missing the carer that was the issue, but of course different children show different signs. Is it just today this has happened? Keep a close eye on temperature, early signs like flushed cheeks, shivers, etc. As others have suggested I'd be trying to keep him close. Swaddling might give him reassurance? HOw about phoning the FC to just check on favourite toys/ comforters etc. Make sure he has familiar smells - soap powder etc is really essential, as it cuts straight to the limbic system so bypasses his thinking. If you're worried you could try out-of-hours doctor for advice. Calpol will help bring temp down even if it's just higher due to crying so long! Good luck x
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Post by smileycat on Dec 8, 2013 18:10:59 GMT
May well be worry getting him checked out.... but hate to say it Spud kept it up for days... very loud very long just as you describe he did sob towards the end of a long crying session as a way to say I'm now exhausted but there was no sign of sleeping though he had slept big naps in the day in FC and slept well at night though woke very early but was on such high alert that he was unable to sleep well at all and no sign of disassociation though thats how he coped with the move to his FC's.
So sad to see.
If in any doubt please do visit your GP though.
Best wishes,
SC x
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Post by smileycat on Dec 8, 2013 18:13:45 GMT
P.S I just want to say though Bumble, in the long run Spud has settled way way faster than his sister who was placed at 3.
Love,
SC x
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Post by moo on Dec 8, 2013 18:18:41 GMT
Some great advice.... Go with your gut.... You will surprise yourself..... Grief affects us all differently... Keep him close..... I hope you get some rest.... It doesn't get more stressful than this trying to guess whats wrong coz he can't tell you & feeling so helpless.... Sleep will come eventually..... Hope it does for you too.... Don't beat yourself up too much..... Good Luck.....
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by phoebe on Dec 8, 2013 19:04:35 GMT
Just a further thought - do you have a rocker of any kind? Chair? Car seat? The rythmic rocking is reminiscent of the movement in the womb so it's really soothing. If there's any way you can rock him, either in your arms, on your lap or just in a seat/crib, I'd try that too. I'd also hum a lot. Familiar nursery rhymes he's heard before - don't bother with the words, just gentle low humming. Also the good old washer and dryer can be soothing for little ones. MAybe it's scarily quiet compared to a busy FC house? Hope you get a breakthrough soon. x
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Post by chotimonkey on Dec 8, 2013 19:47:45 GMT
Hi bumble bee
That sounds hard for you, I hope you are getting some rest yourself in between worrying about lo... Being as rested as you can keeps you calm and regulated for lo .
For me I talk to our newly lo in a calm tone all the time esp when he's upset. " poor baby it's so hard for you, everything is so strange and you must miss xx etc " even if he doesn't understand the words he gets the tone and empathy and it helps remind me what he is going through. We have him in a sling a lot and keep him in a v contained routine so food/ drink/ inside time/ outside time happens at the same time to try and give him an idea of what is coming next. We keep to FC routine, and good, I think I remember you saying he had some food habits you weren't keen on, we don't have same diet as FC but we have kept lo on same food as in FC and same times.
If he's desperate to sleep but too worked up, could you put Him in the car/ forward facing buggy, we spend a lot of time interacting with lo and it can be quite intense, sometimes he relaxes more when he has a bit of time out of our direct focus
Hope some of this helps... Be very kind to yourself, remember it's hard for you too and you deserve some time out, treats
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Post by loadsofbubs on Dec 8, 2013 19:51:37 GMT
different children show grief in different ways, but does sound like that is what he is doing, but any concerns it might be illness then get him checked over. echo all the advice given about keeping him close, keep his routines as near as possible to what he's used to at the fc's (even if it irks you to do it it will bring a sense of normality to him). I had one little girl, who already knew me, who spent her first four or five days literally switched off and sleeping, I've had others that have cried much as your little one is doing, I've had others that presented as unaffected until I looked in the car mirror and saw the utter despair they couldn't articulate. little man has now started to eat, to me that shows him settling, half your lo's age, but still grieving even if settling now. keep him close, buy ear plugs if necessary. it will pass but may take time. theyre all different.
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Post by bumbleb33 on Dec 8, 2013 20:11:19 GMT
He's had a cold all through intros plus he's drooly so probably teething too. We're keeping to his routine and he's eating well and sleeping at night. He's very happy first thing then clingy after breakfast. I'm sure it's all to do with stress/loss. It's just so hard when you've tried cuddles/walks/car rides/rocking chair etc.
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Post by happyone on Dec 8, 2013 20:37:29 GMT
tomorrow swimming xxx warm water and closeness xx as a Fc we are not allowed to bathe in bath with children not sure about adoption !!!!!!! Others advise please !!!!! but as a mum I always did it xxxxx especially when teething or poorly xxx even used candles and lavender bath xxx
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Post by chotimonkey on Dec 8, 2013 22:18:37 GMT
Happy one I'm am adopter and have bathed with ours since v early in placement skin to skin snuggles and gentle water play ( also with lavender ) had been where we have had our first carefree giggles with all three, thanks for reminding me... I'm not sure if their are any rules, wasn't mentioned on the parental tights sheets given to us to sign by la... So assume it's ok
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Post by loadsofbubs on Dec 9, 2013 11:21:51 GMT
its fine for parents to bath with kidlets. would only be an issue where a child is older and/or where there is a known history of sexual abuse. but also be aware that becoz fc's are not allowed this kind of intimacy with their fostered children, that a newly placed little one may not be comfortable with it themselves and other ways to be physically close may be more appropriate, like the swimming and slings etc (age and weight dependent!)
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Post by imp on Dec 9, 2013 12:16:58 GMT
As he has had a cold, certainly do get his ears checked, if only to eliminate physical problems (babes short Eustachian tubes, linking ears to throat, can easily lead to ear infections) Once this is discounted, just as others have advised. Please do stick to all that is familiar to him, even if food etc goes completely against your ethos of care. I highly recommend carrying him in a sling/wrap. even if he resists at first---which he may do as he is not yet really comfortable with you, but this is the best way that I know to start to form a comfortable relationship---for him. His age is against you I'm afraid, he is well aware that his life has been totally turned upside down, but has no understanding as to why, or the permanence of the situation. He is screaming for his FCs. It will change, and you will become the most important people in his life, just not yet. Stay strong and give him everything that he needs---tiring I know, but just as you would if he were a newborn----24 hour attention.
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Post by donatella on Dec 9, 2013 12:24:44 GMT
Takes me back! 12 years ago we didn't have all this knowledge and experience to fall back on so most of what I did was sheer instinct. My baby was unputdownable. For a looooong time. His naps were on me, he was a very light sleeper so I was never able to rock him to sleep and then put him down. So it was the sofa, the phone, the remote and a cuppa. And lots of skin to skin contact - I've bathed with all of mine at various times. I have to say that he was 3 and a half before comfortably being able to separate from me. By which time he'd been home for over three years.
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Post by peartree on Dec 9, 2013 14:16:04 GMT
Aw Poor little chap Poor parents too
Check out 'slumber bear' He gives soft wooshing noises that release calming endorphins in baby It helps up to age 4
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Post by justbserene11 on Dec 9, 2013 19:37:23 GMT
Our LO was 12 months on placement. Initially, she was calm etc and then 2 weeks later her screaming rages began! Like loadsofbubs has already mentioned children react in different ways. I bought a sling and it was brilliant (she loved it) and as she wasn't walking I was able to use it a lot. I used a sling (can't remember the name) where she sat on my hip and was across one shoulder...I liked it because at least we could look at each other and were close. The first few months can be draining....look after yourself.
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Post by peartree on Dec 11, 2013 12:33:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 15:55:40 GMT
Peartree's advice is already pinned at the top of the Approved Adopters Board under the heading "Intro's and Beyond". It is a lot clearer text and is easier to read or copy and paste. HTH
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Post by bumbleb33 on Dec 12, 2013 16:16:49 GMT
Thanks everyone, it's been a week full of ups and downs. I'm now on anti-biotics so will hopefully be feeling better soon and able to deal with everything better.
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Post by enid on Dec 12, 2013 23:04:07 GMT
that's good. keep us posted. x
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Post by bumbleb33 on Dec 28, 2013 11:27:53 GMT
I've not been on here in a while as we've been so busy with little bee and then shattered in the evenings. However things seem to be going pretty well and we had a a lovely quiet Christmas, just the 3 of us.
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Post by mrmlegal on Dec 28, 2013 13:56:28 GMT
Delighted to hear things are looking up for you.
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Post by flowerpower on Dec 28, 2013 15:45:59 GMT
Wonderful you will have many more together, but somehow don't think you will be having any more quit ones. Our LOs moved in nov 2011 so we have just had our 3rd Christmas together, and can only say that this one has been full on so very different from the first 2 happy Christmas and a happy healthy new year xxx
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Post by moo on Dec 29, 2013 17:59:54 GMT
Aww lovely to hear things are settling down.....
Sounds an idealic Christmas congratulations to you all....
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by sivier on Jan 1, 2014 20:56:25 GMT
I'm rather late to this, but just to say we had similar periods of extended, distressed crying with LO who was one and half at placement, and she was placed in the October so only 8 weeks before Christmas. Like you we has a very quiet first Xmas with just us three which I think helped LO - your Christmas sounds lovely and hope your little boy is continuing to do well.
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Post by chotimonkey on Jan 1, 2014 21:02:26 GMT
Belatederry christmas to the bee family... Glad little bee is starting to settle
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