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Post by daffin on Nov 30, 2013 22:32:36 GMT
Hi everyone. Does anyone have experience of direct contact with older siblings. Our DS has 5 still in foster care. They are all considered too troubled to place for adoption. The plan is to prepare DS for direct contact. We are putting the breaks on at the moment as we feel he has enough to deal with just at the moment. Any advice on how to prepare him and how to minimise fall out (we have said we want at least a year before direct contact starts).
Linked to this is that SWs are putting us under pressure to send photos of our DS to the sibs. The oldest child is in a secure unit in a nearby town and has direct contact with BM. We don't want to bump into her in the street or for her to pass details to BM (DS looks quite different from when placed and we think currently wouldn't be recognised). They have said that if we send photos to the younger children we must send them to the older child, too, and don't seem to understand our concerns.
What are your thoughts on both issues?
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Post by happyone on Dec 1, 2013 0:07:24 GMT
Having looked after so many of these older sibs over the years I see it from the other side. I was also part of a sibling group and I was not adopted. To old and a little horror I was to be honest !! But I can also see it from yours too xxx Compromise with what you are comfortable with What about drawings your little in has done they will be treasured by older sibs as would letters from you. Photos from a distance hand prints. You don't need to tell your little one what they are for at this time I'm sure a teacher would give you photos copies of school work even. I really understand your need to take your time so If you keep siblings up to date till your little one is ready. The Sw's will see you understand the siblings needs aswell. I would also include stamped envelopes addressed to social worker so older sibs can write back you can then gauge their commitment over next few months /years and you will hopefully have a collection of bits that you can use when introducing the idea of face to face with your little one. Any effort you make should be appreciated by older sibs. I would have loved this tbh and it may have stopped the fall out from secret meetings we all had trust me they years fly by fast xxxx This is the FIRST proper but of advice iv given on the boards so I'm breathing deep I hope you understand what I'm trying to say x
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Post by homebird on Dec 1, 2013 10:00:39 GMT
As a kinship adopter I was expected to maintain direct contact with our daughters oldest non adopted siblings and letterbox with her adopted siblings. The direct contact has not been difficult to manage - at most twice a year to start with and now that our daughter is almost 13 contact includes text messaging and facebook. Her older brother lives with birth mum 2 streets away from us but we have never had a problem with this. Letterbox contact with the adoptees has caused more problems but they too are now in direct contact and we have had two get together's and hopefully will continue with this next year. Having met the adoptive parents (they adopted 3 siblings) they explained to me that they were following social services guidelines which did not take into account the strong sibling bond. Last year the adoptees took matters into their own hands and made facebook contact with the others. Their parents acknowledged their need to have direct contact and expect that their children (all late teens) will be managing their own contact in a couple of years.
Yes you do have to consider your own security but in my experience it has been less stressful to establish direct contact on our terms than to be constantly worrying about whether we'll get unplanned contact at anytime (youngsters can & will search online) It means the adoptee can maintain a relationship with the siblings, the siblings are content with knowing when they will see their brother/sister and the parents can relax knowing when it will happen. We know what town the adoptees live in but not their address. The children have swapped mobile phone numbers but not home phone numbers. I think what I'm trying to get across is that if you allow direct contact it will hopefully minimize the children's need to search for information that they don't need to know and which they will do in secret until one day it will come to a head when you're least expecting it. That's what happened here anyway.
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Post by sooz on Dec 1, 2013 10:32:38 GMT
My ds has several older sibs, so far we've had direct contact with 2 only.
No contact with eldest, non adopted, kids. For security reasons. Eldest sib had moved back with bf last I heard.
I think that us parents, adoptive and fc, all getting together a few times before any contact had taken place really helped. We got to know each other and respected the others take on things. A couple have decided no direct contact, another wants contact but only with one sibling at a time etc,... We exchange photos with parents, then the parent can gauge how best to deal with that at the time. It really helps to have this kind of relationship, puts my mind at rest.
As all the children grow then things can be adapted etc, but I think that as the parents have all formed a bond, we can contact each other with any concerns.
Any direct contact should only be for the benefit of your child, IMHO, I recently had a few concerns over letterbox so discussed it with ds who said I could write. I'm happy for him to have some control over this.
I would probably not have any direct contact with sibs or exchange photos if they were still in contact with bf, although there may be no security issues with your ds so things may be different for you. Xx
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Post by daffin on Dec 1, 2013 18:49:56 GMT
Hi everyone. Thanks for your thoughts, advice and experience. We included art work by DS in our letterbox, and got some lovely bits of art work back.
We can empathise with the needs and feelings of the older sibs. I actually feel very sad for them and feel that if they'd been removed more quickly and if the courts had made decisions more quickly then more of the sibs would be adopted. We know that they are now settled in good foster placements (except for the oldest, who was too troubled to live in a family setting) so at least thats something. But we aren't their parents and the needs of our DS have to come first. He was very frightened by other children when he first moved in, because of the chaos of the BF home and poorly managed contact. He has a strong behaviour reaction to ant discussion if his life story or past, and so we feel we want him to be batter able to process and talk about his difficult emotions before we start direct contact. Our DS doesn't remember his sibs or have a good understanding yet about they fit in his life. He was under one when he last lived with them and under two when he last saw them. So we will need to do lots of life story work before a meeting is arranged.
As we are working towards direct contact, it's a matter of timing - when rather than if we share photos. However, our concerns remain about the oldest sib, and we will want to speak to her carers and think security issues through more, given that she has direct contact with BF. Also DS had final contact with her before moving in with us (because SWs were concerned about our security if direct contact with her was maintained. I don't really understand why they have changed track on this, it hasn't been explained). So it's all quite confusing.
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Post by happyone on Dec 1, 2013 19:00:08 GMT
He is your child at the end of the day xx just make the extra effort with the indirect contact to sibs from yourself which will help in the future xxx
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Post by daffin on Dec 1, 2013 20:30:07 GMT
Thanks Happyone. We will try! It will be easier when we've heard back from all of them (only from 2 so far), so that we have a better image of the kids. We are also planning one to one meetings with the carers. I think this will help a lot too.
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Post by gilreth on Dec 1, 2013 20:48:32 GMT
We may have similar fun in our future. Agreed to one off meeting with Sqk's older sibs (1 in foster care & 1 in home). Both considered too damaged for adoption but at the moment no contact with bf at court direction. Then twice yearly letterbox with them for now - direct contact may come back in future. Particularly as we've adopted within LA so neither lives that far from us
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Post by swimchic on Dec 1, 2013 20:53:06 GMT
We too will be having direct contact with Pinks older siblings. I have no concern about it.Pink is very fond of her siblings and I know, one in particular has really looked after her in the past.
We will be meeting them too, before AO is done.
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Post by flowerpower on Dec 1, 2013 22:42:43 GMT
Hi DAFFIN I have just bump up the thread from just before our last sib and FC contact
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Post by daffin on Dec 2, 2013 1:14:39 GMT
Thanks. The bumped thread was very useful.
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Post by peartree on Dec 2, 2013 8:31:50 GMT
I don't know if our experience is on the bumped thread But I'm afraid direct contact with sibs didn't work They were re traumatised by meeting and seemed to freeze and have the life sucked out of them Tried formal / informal set ups but it's a no goer
I was sad about it but it just didn't work These are not sibs like other children They are kids who've been through hell and often despite one another
It's not romantic or just ordinary sibling ties in anyway I don't think I understood that at all at the start
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Post by jollymummy on Dec 2, 2013 13:30:04 GMT
I think that if your LO is upset by any talk of his past, then he is not ready for contact and you are right to stick to your guns on this. Yes, the other children have needs, too, but any change in arrangements need to benefit ALL children not just the majority. I think you are being very sensible in taking advice and considering this carefully. Sending artwork is a good idea, with news. xx
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:44:02 GMT
Have sent you a pm Daffin.
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