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Post by piglet on Nov 24, 2013 22:42:52 GMT
I am a bit poorly and feeling sensitive, and I know I have talked about this before but I am really sick of people judging me, my parenting skills, and my child. Do I really need to sack my whole support network? Beginning to wonder whether I actually am a bad parent. I'm not known for my self confidence and I could do with a few less dents to it. Anyway I know i am ranting so I will shut up now. Thanks for listening.
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Post by daffin on Nov 24, 2013 23:01:50 GMT
You're not a bad parent! I have found I have to be really, really selective about who I share details about DS's behaviour with or our concerns about him. People say crass things or give advice based on their expert knowledge of their birth children. I have completely stopped seeing a friend I had known since University and I more or less put the phone down on a friend I used to share a flat with the other day (she was lecturing me - again - about how all little boys are.... I said my DS needed me urgently and click, patronising nonsense over!). You will find new friends and you will find that some of the friends you already have are better at 'getting it' than others. And you will make friends here.....
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Post by lilka on Nov 25, 2013 0:10:58 GMT
You are NOT a bad parent
Sadly, I've found that I've had to develop a very thick skin. Struggling with other people's opinions only ends up with you getting hurt and by extension, your child. So trying to find ways to screen others out is often the best thing. Also, to try and reach a place where you truly believe their opinions do not hold much worth (or any worth at all, depending on the person). If you can belive the opnion you're hearing is not worth a lot, and untrue, it won't knock your confidence so much, or at all.
Since you are NOT a bad parent, please keep reminding yourself of this. It's easy to feel so isolated in a sea of people with no experience, but you are the expert in your own life and DC's issues
They have no right to judge
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Post by connect4 on Nov 25, 2013 0:42:49 GMT
I also, am really selective about who I tell about my children's issues/behaviour. It is sad that we have to do this. I would much prefer to be open and honest with friends and family but when the response is patronizing or dismissive you just can't let yourself be put in that position. It undermines you. Some people really don't get it and they never will. With such people I find myself just smiling along with the general banter about kids and parenting - nodding and laughing in the right places, but giving nothing away about the reality of living with my children. If you can identify one or two people who are more understanding and not judgmental you can cultivate their support and educate them a bit about the realities of adoption. But don't seek advice from those who would judge you and put a stop to it as soon as they start - change the subject. If they persist let them know that you feel undermined by their judgements and you would prefer an encouraging positive response. Easier said than done I know. Sending positive affirmations! xx
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Post by piglet on Nov 25, 2013 1:41:58 GMT
I agree with the comments and I think I need to do a bit of self improvement in these areas. I also need to develop the emotional resilience I'd like LO to have.
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Post by moo on Nov 25, 2013 6:08:42 GMT
Hey piglet.... So sorry you are being so short changed by your support network.... They clearly just don't get it... You are a great mum & clearly getting a lot of stick about it.... As you say please try & build a thicker skin ( hard don't I know ) maybe share a little less..
Please come on here we so get it & been there.... It is great to rant.....here is deffo the place to do that....
Chin up.
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 7:27:50 GMT
You are not alone in this Piglet. I'm adopted and my own Mum doesn't get it. Whenever I spoke to her about any difficulties I ever had with my girls her response was always "It's called being a mother" or "how do you think I coped with 4 of you, you only have 2?", with the inference being that I was lacking in my parenting skills. She won't have it that any adopted kids have issues, after all "you 4 turned out fine didn't you?". She only wants to hear positive adoption stories and closes her ears to anything that isn't. What you need to do is a bit of selective gardening, prune your support network down to just those who actually are supportive. Try and meet new people with children who have similar issues. Is there any Auk support group in your area, or have you linked up with any of our members? I have found that often joining a special needs group can be helpful as the parents are far more forgiving of unusual behaviours are are far less judgemental as they "get" that our children are different and need different parenting to the norm. Try and cultivate new friendships with new people who will support you and boost your own self esteem. You are a great mum doing a difficult but rewarding job and your little Roo is doing the best that she can.
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Post by kizim on Nov 25, 2013 7:47:37 GMT
Hi Piglet, The inability to really share what is going on- because family/friends try to rationalise what you are saying to fit with their own experiences - is another layer of isolation for adopters in my opinion. Have just had an awful summer with my 17 yr old dd running away / saying we beat her/dangerpus behaviour which meant Ä° shared more than usual with people because Ä° needed there help. Reactions varied from friends WHO felt sad for me and labelled dd a sociopath to people WHO felt she was running away because we were too strict to people WHO believed she had run away because we were torturing her. Ä° came back to the UK recently for a week and brought my youngest dd - couldnt have relaxed if my older dd had come - Ä° only shared a little of what had been going on, saw the shock and horror cross their faces and closed my mouth. Speaking with a cousin WHO adopted and other adopters in my life or on these boards was the only time Ä° felt understood. My hb used to say the other board was not helping and that Ä° was looking for problems abd labelling them adoption issues...so Ä° backed off from the boards and tried to view her issues as the usual teenage problems which some of them undoubtedly are - but they go WAY beyond 'normal' teenage stuff, and brought me running back for help. Still Ä° struggle with my own guilt and wonder what Ä° could/should have done differently but Ä° am not sure any of it would change the pathway she is choosing - but still Ä° have hope that she will come through this. Ä° now keep layers of people around me and give info on a need to know basis. Even those WHO do not react as Ä° would want can be very helpful to me at times...but Ä° wish the armchair psychologists would keep their theories to themselves! Take Care Jofran ((())))
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Post by littlemisscheerful on Nov 25, 2013 9:07:26 GMT
Piglet, my mum, who lives very close, and sees lots of my girls' inappropraite behaviour, is forever comparing them to be twin brothers. I accept they were hard work, but their stuff was a million miles from the girls. She just doesn't get it. I have given up challenging her ideas (my dad is much better, - but he can see what we are doing right and what my parents could've done differently, - this is beyond my mum).
I have found over the years a couple of people who are on the same wavelength as me. 1 new ish friend has an autistic dd, and has similar challenges to me. and i have 1 very old friend who I don't see often, but she's the type of person that anyone in trouble could go and bang on her door and it would never be the wrong time. She worked with children with disabilities a long time ago, and gets stuff.
I'm looking for the answer to emotional resilience - I could do with a bit more! I don't think you need to cut yourself off from them all, but maybe try and expect less of them, then you maybe won't be disappointed. Hope you feel better soon, and that you get a bit of battery recharge time today.
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Post by lemonade on Nov 25, 2013 10:36:49 GMT
Thank you for starting this thread piglet, as it's something we all adopters face.
It was good to hear the responses and it helped remind me that we ARE all doing our best and THEY JUST DONT GET IT. I agree I have learnt the hard way about not opening up to too many people
I have two brothers one gets it, the other doesn't. I chatted to my younger brother for an hour and half this week on the phone, he was understanding and reassuring. My older brother whilst visiting him I mentioned a little of AD problems to which the response I received was SIL "My mum died when I was 16 and my step mum gave me a very hard life, but I have survived" and from my brother SIL hubby "we always treated our children as adults and never spoken down to them, therefore now they feel they can come to us and talk about anything" Inside I felt like saying "well, bully for you and I just wish it was just that simple".
So note to self, sadly to some it has to be just a smile and everything is fine.
Piglet that's why I am grateful for this site, as we DO get it and understand. Stay strong and when you are poorly it can always make things seem worse. Choose who you can confide in that will support you and not undermined.
I especially liked Tokoloshe comment ... I doubt those who criticize would ever pass the selection process to become an adoptive parent.
Take care With Love Lemonade xxxx
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Post by shadow on Nov 25, 2013 10:57:33 GMT
sounds like you are doing great with a very traumatised wee girl
over the years I have lost friends, had professionals chip chip chip away at my sense of being able to do anything right - it is so difficult to keep any sense of self belief - especially if you are a single parent as its all down to you (though I know in other ways we are lucky as don't have to worry about a partners behaviour)
that's why these boards are essential so we can see we are not alone - it is different, normal parenting is not enough for a lot of traumatised children
can you get any support for yourself? any support groups/counselling?
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Post by piglet on Nov 25, 2013 11:33:00 GMT
Thank you everyone. I have looked at groups but they aren't nearby and I don't have childcare. I did start exercising again to help me look after my mental health but then I got sick. It's so hard at the moment especially when on the one hand people are judging me but on the other hand it never occurs to them to help me out when I need it. I have wanted to adopt since I was about 10 so I wasn't under many illusions but this may be the one area where I didn't anticipate how my relationships would change. Can anyone recommend any helpful reading? I always feel more in control when tackling things with a book. I am working at home for the forseeable future whilst I shake this cold/chest infection thingy so at least I only have to crawl to school and back.
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Post by sooz on Nov 25, 2013 12:02:08 GMT
The way I see it, if we all had understanding friends, where our children are concerned, we wouldn't need these boards so much, but we do.
I still struggle with others opinions and advice, but, I am learning, slowly. I'm not immune but I seem to be less sensitive to unwelcome comments.
I think it's ok to get different things from different people, those you share nights out with may not be the best ones to share your child's issues with, those who get the whole adoption thing may not be the ones you'd enjoy a night out with etc..
I have lots of friends, some very long term friends but they don't often get what's going on, I still enjoy spending time with them, but some newer friends I've met through adoption or who have kids with special needs are who I like to share a coffee with or a day out with the kids. From my personal experience I think it's really important to cultivate these kinds of friendships, it's a win win situation for both sides.
So it may not be a case of shutting out old friends, just pick your audience!
I joined a gym a couple if months ago, got chatting to some other ladies and often go for a coffee after a class, 2 of them have children with statements, 1 is doing a sw degree and wants to work in fostering and adoption, 1 works in a children's home for teenage kids, 1 is a policewoman, 1 has a child in special school. I think I hit the jackpot there!
When you are feeling better, try to get yourself out there and meet others in similar situations. It really is worth it's weight in gold xx
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Post by bagpuss72 on Nov 25, 2013 12:09:44 GMT
Just want to give you a ((hug)), and hope you feel better soon. As others have said this is a common problem for most of us and you are definately a good parent, doing your best under difficult circumstances. We have had to prune our support network so much that we are now left with just a stick, I kid you not Take care of yourself.
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Post by fruitcake on Nov 25, 2013 12:21:59 GMT
Piglet - I have absolutely been there done that and got the T shirt re my second son. I really sympathise.
My husband took our eldest, disabled son to the doctor as he had seen a lump in his groin while helping him have a bath. The young doctor asked, in quite a hostile manner, why he hadn't noticed it before, insinuating neglect. She then called in another doctor, who admitted that he couldn't see it! My dh suggested that it was easier to see if son stood up, whereupon the doctor could then see it. We have always looked after our son with total dedication and my dh in particular does quite a bit of his physical care, with such gentleness and concern. Yet he was practically accused of neglect. The negative assumptions that people make are horrible and crop up sometimes when you least expect it.
I have been doing an online CBT course called "Beat the Blues" which I have found really helpful. I think when others constantly put you down, intentionally or not, it is all too easy to internalise this sort of negative thinking. The CBT course has been really helpful for me in changing my attributional style, counting my successes, problem solving, managing sleep better, you name it. I paid for it (£99) out of my Carer's Allowance, but you can get it free through your G.P. It would be easy to do for you while you are stuck at home. Hth. Hang in there.
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Post by piglet on Nov 25, 2013 16:30:10 GMT
I know with me that the problem is often I am judging myself so outside corroboration of my imperfections is magnified. I think you have probably hit the nail on the head
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Post by piglet on Nov 25, 2013 16:32:18 GMT
I will look into mood gym and I have discovered that in my area you can self refer to beating the blues so I am also looking into that too. Thanks.
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Post by smileycat on Nov 25, 2013 19:10:45 GMT
Ah Piglet, as others have said IT'S NOT YOU!!!!!! It's those who live outside of Planet Adoption. A good friend of mine is an adoptive parent too, I met her on our prep course, she and I rant about exactly this on the phone often. She said that it seems to her that her oldest friends are becoming more and more distant every day... it's true. I did giggle though when she said but SC you know what the friends who are most self interested are perfect, they are not interested in my LO so I just nod and smile as they chat about themselves!!! Very amusing.
On a serious note I am sensitive, it hurts me deeply that I've found doors closing in my face, a friend I really valued stopped getting in touch when Spud was placed because she wouldn't believe me when I said he was struggling with her picking him up to the point that he had bad dreams after we met up. Big loss for me and DD... she thought a child of 18 months wouldn't be affected grrrrr!
I do keep my mouth shut about the kids issues now apart from a couple of trusted friends and my sister who I'm v close too, most of my family think I'm over protective and potty. I've learn't that sometimes pre-warning DD that Auntie La La might do x or y to worry her, what can we do about it? Then pick up the pieces afterwards so we don't end up totally friendless and lonely!!
But it's true, we find that we spend a lot more time with some friends and family than others... it's not what I imagined but then not a lot of my life now is as I'd imagined....!!!!!!
Hang in there and come vent when you need it- we all get it.... If trauma was an extra limb though life might be easier for us where the non-believers are concerned.
Hugs.
Hope you feel much better v soon,
SC x x x
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Post by abiee on Nov 25, 2013 22:35:48 GMT
I think some people think adopted children are communal property. I had real problems with a close friend who seemed to think my DD was hers too - because she had supported me through the process Is there anything you like to do. I can honestly say that crochet saved my sanity. It is such a good distraction for me and now I have improved a good boost for my self esteem. I sell items and make my own presents I dont think it matters what it is so long as you get satisfaction Good luck- it will get better
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Post by damson on Nov 26, 2013 8:53:01 GMT
Hi Piglet, by now you know that star charts don't work for our children... But they do work on me! In the run up to Christmas, I used to have a sheet of card with an old Christmas card pic stuck on (chosen by the child)and every time they did something good/ nice/ helpful, I stuck a glittery sticker on. It was the route to earning money for presents for other people, and it meant we could go to Christmas Fairs and the children could buy nice little things for relatives and friends with their money. All a bit theoretical, and worked better for kids older than yours, but solved the Christmas present problem. However, it worked really well when I had my own card, and when I did something nice/ good/ helpful I awarded myself a sticker. More interesting still, the kids would sometimes award me one. With 'my reward', we all had something nice. If I had my own star chart now, I'd give myself a star for every time I have managed not to snarl out a snappy rebuttal to some teenage indolence or rudeness My support network now is people who get it. Friends who are foster carers and adopters, parents of children with disabilities. Some years ago, I went to a training course that ran for weeks, and we shared lives, made friends and began to meet socially. They are utterly reliable about the ghastly side of life, and they really do 'get' attachment difficulties. I have other friends for things I do in my own right as a person, and I am reserved about sharing any issues with them. I think there are days when I need a badge that paraphrases the blood donation one 'Be kind to me, I adopted'! I don't need to discuss why I feel sad or carp, I just need the kindness.
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Post by justbserene11 on Nov 26, 2013 10:58:17 GMT
You are doing a great job! I completely empathise with people's inappropriate comments etc, my mother/sister have said and have done things that have been very upsetting, because they just don't 'get it'. The support from these boards has been a wonderful help and I have always found everyone to be truly understanding. Please be kind to yourself...you area wonderful mum xx
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Post by chocolatedog on Nov 26, 2013 23:12:25 GMT
Can't remember where I first saw this, but we are onion growers in a world of mostly apple growers - and the apple growers often think that because they grow apples, they know how to grow onions.........!
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Post by lemonade on Nov 26, 2013 23:45:26 GMT
Can't remember where I first saw this, but we are onion growers in a world of mostly apple growers - and the apple growers often think that because they grow apples, they know how to grow onions.........! Think it is something similar to this ... we are raising onions not apples, apples have a core in them, but onions just have layers. So if you want help and advice go to those raising onions not apples!
Love Lemonade xxx
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Post by smileycat on Nov 27, 2013 12:45:33 GMT
Chocolatedog and lemonade- that's brilliant.
Time to move to an onion field!!
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Post by sivier on Nov 27, 2013 16:03:05 GMT
Just sending hugs piglet - it's hard. Hope you feel better soon.
Sivier x
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