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Post by connect4 on Nov 13, 2013 14:19:49 GMT
Does anyone know of a good book or online article that explains sibling trauma bond and what can be done about it? thank you
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Post by shadow on Nov 14, 2013 8:48:31 GMT
I am sure pear tree will find this and reply - she is very "experienced" in the effects of trauma bonds etc - also maybe research her posts on the subject- and sibling placements on the old AUK boards
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Post by connect4 on Nov 14, 2013 17:41:20 GMT
Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, tokoloshe.
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Post by peartree on Nov 14, 2013 19:00:49 GMT
I did have a big link to the placing siblings booklet by family futures Will look
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Post by peartree on Nov 14, 2013 19:09:25 GMT
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Post by connect4 on Nov 14, 2013 20:09:46 GMT
Many thanks Peartree, very interesting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 20:46:18 GMT
hi
the issue is not just should some children be placed togther but what to do if maybe they shoudnt have been and you are living with them ! I felt it was like a see saw with my eldest 2 that always one was in trouble and if I managed to sort it the other one took his place ; the good thing was they could not both challenge together as it seemed they knew one of them had to hold it together - I subsequently adopted 2 unrelated children and they could be good together or difficult togther it felt completely different. The thing that disappointed me was that the children who had lived togther couldnt help each other and at the time I thought they could ; they cant ; they need help to accept the past and be freed from any feeling of responsibility about what went wrong and also that you are now reposnsible for both of them It also incluides the fact you have only ever had them togther and so the eldest has never had your sole attention - if you can spend tiem with them individually do it - even taking them away seperately - I now have 2 grandsons who remind me of their dad and uncle and recently we just had one to stay at the weekend and it was utterley amazing how much more enjoyable it was and how differently he related to us than when it is a constant competition between the two of them ; if you have anyone who offers help suggest they take one at a time it might help them and you I did find
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Post by connect4 on Nov 15, 2013 23:15:13 GMT
I agree about trying to have them on their own - they are completely different children when they are without the other one. That's very difficult for us as we have no help from anyone. We try to do it ourselves - between the two of us. To be honest I have even thought about my husband and I living in separate houses each taking one of the children. That's how desperate things have been - they are a lot better much more of the time now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 12:15:00 GMT
Great advice Jet. I think this is the problem sometimes when you adopt sibling groups, especially ones with small age gaps like my two (only 10 months). It is sooooo hard giving them 1:1 time and they constantly fight for attention which can be exhausting. You might like to join in on the "adopting siblings" thread on the Discussion Board Jet, as I think prospective adopters would benefit from hearing your thoughts in advance of choosing whether to adopt two or three.
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Post by gertiesquidge on Nov 16, 2013 15:55:49 GMT
Can this happen with adopted siblings who aren't birth siblings? I ask because our two take sibling rivalry to a whole new level. They are so competitive and jealous of each other despite the 6 year she difference! And they fight so violently, going all out to hurt each other. They can't be in each other's company for more than 2-3 minutes without world war 3 breaking out. It's so much more intense than any sibling rivalry I've ever seen and the only thing we seem to be able to do is to separate them
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Post by connect4 on Nov 16, 2013 20:17:52 GMT
I do not know much about it and I don't think that much is written about it. This is what I have learned recently:
I think the idea behind a trauma bond is that siblings who have experienced trauma together (like domestic violence and physical/sexual abuse) have a dysfunctional relationship with each other where they often re enact the original trauma. They are often extremely jealous of each other and constantly fight for the adoptive mother's attention. One child may bully and victimize the other. Sometimes there may be sexualized behaviour between them. One may become the scape goat and be blamed for everything. Sometimes they also have such a strong bond that they blank out the adults around them and rely on each other for comfort.
Probably if siblings have not experienced trauma together it would be unlikely that they would be described as having a trauma bond. Although I suppose they could still be reminding each other of the traumatic backgrounds they have each individually experienced and sparking those early fears in each other. In our case, I do not know if our children, who are full siblings and experienced early trauma together, really do have a trauma bond or not but like your two the level of sibling rivalry, violence and bullying has been off the scale.
Perhaps the sibling rivalry is more an expression of their great need for our undivided attention. They have so many gaps to fill they feel they cannot afford to share us with their siblings - like starving animals wanting all the available food for themselves.
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Post by gertiesquidge on Nov 16, 2013 22:10:48 GMT
Hi connect4, Thank you for explaining it to me, my two don't have remotely similar background so I don't think it can be a trauma bond between them. But what you say about starving animals fighting for every scarp of attention for themselves makes so much sense, thank you that's given me food for thought x
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Post by damson on Nov 16, 2013 22:39:44 GMT
My friends who are foster carers say that the lack of loyalty between foster children who have been together for years is depressing. Siblings and non-siblings alike all display unpleasant enthusiasm for dropping each other in it. Jealousy lives with you day by day, rivalry shadows every move.
Our children arrived with a full fledged trauma bond. We steadfastly did family things together with two massive rivals for years. By the time they were 11 and 13, we split them up as much as we could. They are much nicer people apart! I asked for respite care when things got really hard, and none was forthcoming. Now my DD is in care, and it is costing the local authority far, far more. It does, however, come out of a different budget from post adoption support.
If I had known how to buy respite care, I'd have done it. Does anyone here know how to get direct payments to buy respite care? Perhaps that would help Connect4? With only one child in the house, everyone calms down. The only snag is the rebound from the one in respite...
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Post by leo on Nov 17, 2013 22:21:25 GMT
In our house it's not so much 'divide and conquer' but 'divide and survive'! My two have a deeply embedded trauma bond and trigger each other constantly. It only takes a sound, not even a whole word! If I am not extremely vigilant then they act out scenes of their trauma and when they are not doing this then they are 'pushing' each other into meltdown. I think they learned early on that they could only rely on each other - but also learned that they were each other's biggest rival for attention so their need to be in control of my time and attention is huge. They also sometimes work as a team to turn against me.
At times of stress we can't eat together, watch TV together or play in the same room. The boys behaviour (and my sanity) would benefit from our house being soundproofed - or simply much larger so I could put them at either end of it!
I have not found much in the way of research or publications (have read the Family Futures stuff but that's more about not putting them together for adoption in the first place).
My LA now admit that had they undertaken a sibling assessment, they would not have placed Hurricane and Tsunami together - bit late now! Any advice from anyone who's been doing it longer than me would be most welcome.
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