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Post by lilka on Nov 12, 2013 22:22:35 GMT
After a rather spectacular tantrum earlier this morning, DD has actually been pretty calm this evening
She let me brush her hair while she sat at my feet
Our conversation went something like this:
she stamped her hand on my foot (I think probably an accident)
"Ouch" "huh?..." "You hit my foot with your hand, and it hurt" "Oh...sorry" "That's okay...why are you sorry?" "I said sorry because i hit your hand" "Right, that's how you use the word sorry, well done. How do you feel inside when you say sorry" ........silence "DD?" "Uh...." "Do you think that people feel something when they say sorry?" "Umm...sorry isn't a feeling, is it? You say it when people get upset with you"
Confirmation of something I already knew, she doesn't feel real remorse
I think she has some empathy but it's limited, and disguised by some (taught by me, very patiently) knowledge of how to react in certain situations ie. you say sorry when you accidently hit someone. If I hadn't asked 'why are you sorry?" and you read that conversation up to that point, she would seem totally normal.
I am sure some of your kids have the same issue
Have any of you worked successfully on remorse? I don't expect her to feel 'neurotypical' feelings as it were or ever manage to feel remorse like I would feel it, but I'm wondering if there's any hope she can develop her empathy at all? Like go from a 2 to a 4 on a scale of 1-10?
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Post by jollymummy on Nov 12, 2013 22:41:47 GMT
I don't know Lillka. What I do know is that my daughter often does not show remorse and appears not to have a conscience. ALthough sometimes she can appear to be sorry it is hard to know whether this is genuine. JM x
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Post by oysterbabe on Nov 13, 2013 9:13:18 GMT
One of my sons has empathy and a conscience, and I have been able to nurture and challenge him using reflection and conversation only, whilst he was growing up.
His twin is ego mad and its all about him, what he can get out of who by saying what he needs to say in that instant iyswim. It's an area he still struggles with enormously and its not getting any better. If I had had the same conversation with him as you did with your dd it would have gone the same but I would have had to prompt to apologise too! I have now started saying things like "Cockle, people like it when you say hello and ask how they are when you see them". He just hasn't got a clue bless him.
You are doing well bringing it up with her as it arises though, the drip drip effect works too.
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Post by moo on Nov 13, 2013 11:22:53 GMT
Hey lilka.... Know exactly where you are at... As oysterbabe says the drip effect I think works... Baa ever so occasionally seems to get it.... Hope your dd does too.... It is sooo tricky to parent isn't it sometimes when emotions on all sides are fraying....
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by lilka on Nov 13, 2013 17:01:28 GMT
Thanks I will try low key conversations about it whenever a natural opportunity presents itself. She struggles with emotions and sensations generally so I wonder if she has SOME guilty feelings and represses them or whether she genuinely is not capable of feeling remorse Yes moo it is very hard when tempers fray! I lost my temper spectacularly over the weekend (DS caught her sticking my toothbrush down the toilet and putting it back!! Then I found out she had done that a couple of days before and i had used my toothbrush 4 times since then). No apology forthcoming for that though. I don't think I really want a meaningless words-only apology though, I'm happy to move on without one.
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Post by damson on Nov 13, 2013 17:22:10 GMT
Pro forma sorry is pretty annoying, I agree. 'Sowee'in a sarcastic voice sends DH ballistic.
I think my AD's Dx of Aspergers made me feel incredibly sad, because I thought she'd never get it. But sometimes she really does. It is slow, and there are many pro forma sorrys but it is not that she does not feel things, more that she can't express it without massive shame. She is still surprised when saying sorry is not enough, and the victim still needs time to calm down. Slowly, she is realising what she feels when someone does something horrid to her is what I feel when she does something horrid or careless to me.
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