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Post by connect4 on Nov 2, 2015 14:23:24 GMT
Hello all, help, advice needed please. My son aged 13 made Facebook contact with his birth mother on 11th October. He found her. They are 'friends' and have had a number of private messages, until the 13th of Oct, which my son has now shown me - all very lovey dovey. B.M very gushing and clearly ecstatic with the contact. Son has also had FB private messages with his 17 year old half sister.
I found out when I looked at my son's timeline on Friday 29th, and I saw a post from BM - 'Hi son, how are u? U o.k? I havent heard from you in a while.' I asked him about this and that was when he showed me the messages between 11-13th October. I let him reply to her on Friday, with me being present and they had some messages with me looking on and his sister (aged 11) said one thing to the B.M (she wanted her to know she was good at Gymnastics!). They also has some messages with their half sister.
On Saturday my son showed me a new private message BM had sent him, asking son to ask me if it o.k to have meetup. - he had already replied 'not allowed' (meaning - not allowed by me). Contact is supposed to be annual postbox. I have contacted social services and asked that the mother be approached and asked not to make unsolicited messages to him. Where do we go from here? Has this happened to anyone else? How did you deal with it? Feeling shaky.
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Post by connect4 on Nov 2, 2015 14:37:23 GMT
By the way, they lived with BM until daughter was 2 and half and son was four and half and they had contact with her until they were 4 and 6. He calls her Mam and he calls me Mam, he has told me in the past that he didn't want to leave her cos he loved her. She went on to have two more children who were lost to her through adoption and now she is looking after her last two at home and pregnant with another one.
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Post by bop on Nov 2, 2015 15:22:33 GMT
((Hugs))
How do you feel about this contact? Its very common for adopted kids to go in search of their birth families at this sort of age - its part of them trying to work out who they are, but it can also leave them feeling very confused just at the stage that its quite normal to find family life a challenge. I would certainly seek out some professional support - they can help you and your son work out what is the best option - now the gate has been opened it can't be closed, so is it better for him to have some contact in a "safe" way and what does that mean for him and you?
Children are removed from birth families for good reason and they need to understand that for themselves - but if he was 4.5 when he was removed there will also be a bond there - albeit a damaged one.
Do a search on here too - there are others who have had similar experiences...
Bop
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Post by moo on Nov 2, 2015 18:30:44 GMT
Hugs connect 4 this is such a nightmare situation xxx .... now the door is open as you say there is deffo no wayback.... hope ss get in touch & remind bm re the rules re face to face....
Sure there are some good tips re this situation happy searching xxx good luck hope your ds copes with this xxx
Xx moo xx
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Post by serrakunda on Nov 2, 2015 18:33:38 GMT
I agree with bop. You can't bolt the door now. I'd be looking for some professional support and how this contact can be managed in the safest possible way for all concerned. Otherwise I think you run the risk of them continuing to have contact in secret and it getting completely out of hand. You need to take control of it, but I don't think that means you just saying no, even if that's what you really want to do
Good luck
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Post by jmk on Nov 3, 2015 3:00:55 GMT
Goddamn internet, hugs to you Connect.
As Serrakunda said, unfortunately you cannot undo what has been done all you can do is manage it now and hope and pray the novelty will eventually wear off.
I would contact PAS and ask for help with this, you need someone to talk to about how to handle this safely and maybe both your children could do with some life story work if they haven't already had it.
How far away does BM live? Could he meet her unbeknown to you? If they have been talking, they have probably already swapped addresses/phone numbers. All you can do now is to try and manage this contact safely. If she lives far away would you consider face to face contact say every 3 months or so at a contact centre, that way you can be part of it, that way he just might satisfy his natural curiosity and may well lose interest eventually after a while when the novelty wears off.
There is harbouring orders but they are ineffectual. If you look at my post on the resources boardsyou will see they are not that effective and are not enforcible if your child is meeting them willingly.
It 's hard to advise without knowing distance from Bfamily. If they are far away, then you may get away with just FBook contact for now, but if they are close enough for DS to meet them, then you have more of a problem as he will probably not be able to resist it.
On the positive side, at least he has told you and you can talk it through now you are aware of it. Try not to take it personally. It doesn't mean he doesn't love you, he can love too mums at once, he can't help his feeings and he shouldn't ever have to chose, but it hurts doesn't it all the same?
Hugs to you xx
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Post by runmum on Nov 3, 2015 12:37:25 GMT
I was literally just thinking about proactive management of just this possibility when I saw your post. I am convinced Jealous Dog will do this as soon as he is old enough to have an account or via a friend who already has an account. We write every year to BM but she never writes back but I expect FB contact would be embraced in a gushing unhelpful way as you describe. How I wish the PAS offered proactive education for adopted children about this - workshops for them not just us!!! My two cope better with this sort of information from professionals - they still cannot quite trust me on contact - they worry I know that I might have withheld information from them - I haven't but they don't quite trust.
I think Family Futures have a great approach to this whereby they invite contact but usually via Skype with SW's present at both ends and a pre-scripted set of questions. The children have a de-brief afterwards, which includes challenging them to think about reality vs fantasy. There was a good article in the adoption UK magazine - last issue I think. It might help to have a look before talking to PAS.
Great that he told you and is working with you - shows what a fantastic relationship you must have built - well done Mum!!! PAS must help you and if what they offer is pathetic then in my view it's another area where digging into savings etc for professional support is money well spent if you can find some way to afford it which is always a challenge.
I have started talking to JD and this in preparation. This is what I have said so far - when you get on social media you might think about contacting your BM. This is quite understandable. Please think about what Childline (they did workshops at the boys' school) told you about how people present differently over the internet - it may not be reality, they can make everything look one way when it's actually another way. Some adoptive kids find their birth families do this - it's also understandable. Tough things have happened and in order to cope birth families sometimes create a fantasy version of events. They might end up believing it to be true because they so desperately wanted things to be different. My main job is to make sure you don't get hurt. Being told things that are not true will hurt you and I don't want that. If you want to make contact let's talk first. The wise judge said you should be 18 as you need to be as strong as possible in your heart and mind first. If you can't wait then let's find a way to do it with professionals helping all of us - your birth mum and us - to make sure no-one gets hurt.
Of course I know all this might be in vain and he might think I am an idiot and just go ahead. That's why I wish we had the help now. Massive hugs to you. Please keep us posted. Any insights will help those of us just a few steps behind you.
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Post by runmum on Nov 3, 2015 16:08:59 GMT
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Post by lemonade on Nov 3, 2015 18:55:28 GMT
A mind field is what it is!!! Fizz was always wanting to contact Birth Fam from the age she came to live with us at 6yrs, but FB was in it's infancy then. She would go on and on about the big reunion of meeting all her birth fam. She would imagine her Birth Dad waiting outside the school to try and see her, even though we lived 100's of miles away from where birth dad and family lived. Whereas Bubbles couldn't bare to hear Fizz talk about it and would literally cover her ears. By the age of 16 Fizz told me she had written to Jeremy K and got a reply that they would help her find her bm I knew it was all spiraling out of control. Got CAMHS involved who did some realistic counselling with Fizz about reality and fantasy and through a friend of a friend who specialised in this made contact with BM through FB but because BM had changed her name Fizz wasn't able to find her. They corresponded via letter through this friend, but bm didnt hardly reply and was always going on about the weather etc, not the things Fizz wanted to know. She wanted answers!! Who, Why, What of course BM had rewritten history in her mind, so it wasn't very forthcoming. Strangely in the end Bubbles was the one who traced birth fam via fb despite all her denying she would and has since met and regularly stays with her elder bro, birth dad, cousins and has well got her feet under the table there, but she is 25 yrs now. Whereas Fizz hasn't made any personal contact with them and is jealous that she hasn't and doesn't know the whereabouts of her birth dad (who is different to Bubbles birth dad). Bubbles likes to rub it in, how her birth dad still has pics of her Bubbles on his wall as a baby, and that Bubbles was welcome there any time, but in the next breath she is moaning all BD ever wants is money off ppl (hmmm sounds like Bubbles tbh). I agree with the not sugar coating (albeit age appropriate) their past, because I see with my own Grandaughter how she has been told mummy made some silly choices and that is why she doesn't live with us (daddy TB and LMB). But I can see that isn't really enough, as she sees mummy at SS contact centre every other Wed for an hour and half and mummy seems well dressed, lovely and kind and bringing presents! My only advice is hang in there, keep communication open with your child and ask if they have any questions as to Why / Who / When / what happened and what they want to achieve by contact. But I thought legally the child had to be 18, maybe get Camhs involved. Love L xx
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Post by connect4 on Nov 3, 2015 22:48:01 GMT
Thank you all, for your thoughtful advice. I asked him today what he wanted and quick as a flash he said ‘I want to see her’ , he said he would like to stay with her for a couple of days!!! I have told him that I am not angry with him and I completely understand why he wants to see her but we are worried for him and his sister. I have reminded him about Bm’s previous alcohol and drug abuse and how she neglected him and all her children. She appears to be reformed but we don’t know for sure, and we don’t know what kind of people she associates with – people that could be dangerous to him. I have told him I am concerned that if he meets her he may experience strong feelings, difficult thoughts and conflicting attachments (to us and to her) that will be difficult for him to cope with at this stage of his life and it would be better to wait till he is older. I have told him that I am very worried about the effect of all this on his 11 year old sister. He listened and seemed to really get what I was saying – especially about his sister, which he agrees with. I am thinking of sharing with him some of the real stories I have found on the internet about the difficulties and dangers some children have experienced when prematurely reuniting with their birth families. I have suggested that we talk about some sort of regular supervised Facebook contact with me or Dad looking on and reading the messages – he seemed to like that idea. If he really pushes for a meeting I think the Scype idea is worth exploring as an alternative. I think he will want a face to face though, especially when her new baby is born – he loves babies and this one is going to be a boy, which has delighted him. I contacted SS yesterday and spoke with a duty social worker – she said all the senior SS’s are in training until Wednesday, but she has referred me on and someone will contact me ‘later’. She said we do not qualify for any support cos of the length of time they have been adopted. But she said they would probably go and see BM. I am going to ask that they ‘facilitate’ the process of negotiation and planning the way forward, and also help with some life story work. I am trying to create a controlled framework around this but I am aware that this relies on him and the BM agreeing and co-operating. We’ve a long way to go, he is not quite 13 (in a few weeks). They could go along with a managed plan whilst secretly contacting each other by private messaging, phone calls and meetups. (She lives about 2 miles away). However, the BM has two children with her and another on the way – she must be being monitored and won’t want to cross SS for fear they may remove her new born. I told a friend over the weekend, had a bit a cry, and told her I was frightened that he would just go back to his B.M and turn his back on us. But I am trying to be calm, deal with what is in front of us now and not fantasise too much about the worst case scenario. It has been very calm and peaceful today. He came over to me earlier and gave me a lovely big hug. I am hopeful tonight. Thanks for your support, it really helps. x
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Post by bop on Nov 4, 2015 8:13:32 GMT
You are handling this difficult situation really well...and of course it will leave you feeling wobbly.
Just one thing - if you are in the UK, you ARE entitled to support from SW, whatever you were told yesterday - there is a duty to assess all affected by adoption no matter how long the children have been adopted. The relelvant local authority is the one where you live (whereas for the first three years its the one who placed the kids). In England there is also the Adoption Support Fund which will fund work with the kids; sadly if you are elsewhere in the UK funding can be trickier. You need the post adoption social work team which will be different to the main social children and families team.
One caution - these situations can progress very quickly - our kids tend to be impulsive and with stuff like social media can do all sorts without our knowledge, so push hard and quickly for help.
((Hugs)) Bop
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Post by connect4 on Nov 4, 2015 12:55:54 GMT
Thanks Bop, to be fair to SS she was talking about therapeautic support. I like CAMHS in our area - they seem to have a handle on trauma/adoption issues - at least to a far greater extent than our local SS Adoption services. Of course CAMHS will not deal with BM, but we are expecting Psychotherapy for him as soon as a therapist is available at CAMHS (Cos of violence to sister and stealing).I will contact them today to let them know the current situation - maybe they can speed things up. One good thing - he is banned from internet at home at the moment (to help stop him paying for internet games with our cards)so this will reduce his ability to contact her so much. (He does have a phone(with no credit)and Tesco does free WIFI so he can still contact her on FB. Wishing it hadn't happened so soon.
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Post by lankelly on Nov 4, 2015 23:08:48 GMT
Sounds awful and you seem clued up as much as you are able. B.mum.must be a hormonal mess if close to delivery and ss are still around. Perhaps keep reassuring but reasserting the need to run everything by you or (perhaps in reserve another mutually agreed trusted adult ) . Then Monopoly can make good decisions for himself and know you are there to catch him. Personally if mine wanted contact I would ask for it through the adoption channels in your area only. At least till they are sixteen, more likely 25!
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Post by connect4 on Nov 5, 2015 12:52:06 GMT
Thanks Lankelly,
I agree with what you say.
We have a post adoption Social worker coming on Tuesday morning to us (son, hubby and me). Then she is going to see BM. She is going to talk with Monopoly and BM about pitfalls and responsibilities.
It seemed as if she thought is was best to sort of lay down the law and say it has to stop. I said that was a good approach with BM, but not with our son. We think he will really want it more if he has been 'forbidden' and realistically we cannot really control this 100%.
We want to take the lead whilst stressing the need for openness and that we are all in this together, and that we will all try to find a way forward with a plan that we can all be agreeable to at this point. My husband and I will be agreeable to some sort of supervised FB contact but not a face to face contact yet. I am glad the SW is involved as I think it will lend some 'authority' to the 'negotiations' but I do hope she doesn't start insisting things are done her way. At the end of the phone call she said that because she knows about it is her responsibility now - is that right?
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Post by bop on Nov 5, 2015 13:07:01 GMT
Glad you are being taken seriously and you're not having to wait for support.
In terns of responsibility, you are still the parents so you have the ultimate responsibility - SW only have responsibility if they see it as some sort of child protection issue (which I guess they could, but unlikely at this stage - maybe potential to turn into one if he did visit unsupervised?).
Best practice would be to work with parents and from that pov I'd probably want a meeting with her first without your son and then her to talk to him and BM - you know your son best and with her professional input and experience together you should be able to come up with the best plan for your family. Sadly many of us have found best practice isn't always followed and social workers tend to like to know best....
You are handling this really well ((hugs))
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Post by milly on Nov 6, 2015 16:42:31 GMT
Hope the sw proves helpful and willing to listen. Of course it is your call as to what happens (insofar as the situation can be controlled). We're not in tbe same place yet but I had a similar discussion with our PASW recently and she had her views based on her experience and they made a lot of sense actually, but she only made suggestions, there was no sense that we should do x or y.
Btw the claim that you adopted too long ago for them to have any responsibility for therapy is nonsense - there isn't a time limit on it (or maybe it stops as they reach adulthood, not sure about that). We have accessed therapy via our PAS and adopted our dd over 13 years ago.
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Post by connect4 on Nov 6, 2015 16:56:19 GMT
Milly, please remind me what PAS means? grey cells not what they were!
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Post by bop on Nov 6, 2015 17:06:54 GMT
PAS = post adoption support PASW = post adoption support social work(er)
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