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Post by serrakunda on Oct 12, 2015 19:05:45 GMT
Is going to be the death of me
I've returned a very complex piece of geography homeework, declined to do it and made it clear I don't expect him to be penalised.
Define monotheism, polytheism and atheism is 90 minutes of my life I will never get back
We we are currently working on Robin Hood -man, myth or legend?
He either will not let me help, or when I do, cannot just sit next to me without tapping my arm, leg, head, etc et etc
ive given him folders to keep his work flat and help organise and it all cones back screwed up
meeting at school on Friday to discuss the support he's getting and what is appropriate homework.
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Post by lankelly on Oct 12, 2015 19:14:06 GMT
Good God. Sounds like a nightmare. If that's on the cards... I'm off! Don't let them give you lines on Friday.lol.
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Post by monkey on Oct 12, 2015 20:06:20 GMT
Ah Serrakunda it must be so hard for Simba to get his head around these things. It's hard enough the increased independence let alone the learning too. BD is doing a project on Terrorism (Year 8). I so want to wrap her in cotton wool and say that she can skip it. It's violent, scary and "in your face". Am really questioning whether the detail is necessary at her age. Would much rather she sat and watched Cinderella instead!
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Post by pingu on Oct 12, 2015 22:32:03 GMT
We had Slavery last year ( in gory detail) and " does the Loch Ness monster actaully exist ? ( actually quite interesting and included a family visit there at his request) he did alright with those last year, though i weighed in with the monster or myth one, to flesh it out a bit . But he then messed up with his first term secondary main English essay, ignoring his carefully prepared notes and prep
material ( done at school so we didnt realise it exisited, and , i am guessing, forgot to take them onhome) and then cut and pasted from wikepedia in large print, to produce an essay that got him a lecture on plagerism and " the expectations of this school" !! The only homework i really hate being asked to help with is Maths because he gets so upset. Fortunately his Maths teacher this year is minimising homework, provided they work in class. Like you, Serrekunda, the state of his notes and homework sheets is terribly scarppy and I struggle to get him to put them into folders, or keep jotters and books in decent condition. I guess that will continue until someone at school nips his ear about it, he will not take any notice of what I say.
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Post by corkwing on Oct 13, 2015 8:33:09 GMT
I took over an hour to do Sprat's English homework for him last night. It was to write about the book of Billy Elliot. Fortunately I've seen the film: otherwise I think we'd have been stuck and in real meltdown.
Part of it was to write a paragraph about the "tone" of the book. He really didn't get that concept (he's 12). He couldn't distinguish between the facts and emotions being portrayed and the way that they are portrayed. Like that Dennis the Menace includes dark emotions like distress (normally from Walter) and anger from Dad and the neighbours, but the tone is humourous.
Part of me says that it's the teacher's job to get across the concept of tone, and that it's really himself that he's marking, not the child. If the child can't define it, it's the teacher that's failed, not the child.
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Post by elderberry on Oct 13, 2015 9:15:32 GMT
I spent the whole of year 7 fighting the school over homework (and fighting DD over homework every weekend). Each time I suggested that she shouldn't have homework, or maybe only in the SEN-taught subjects (maths and English) they would take half a step back and suggest how the TA could help more; but they were completely unable to accept the notion of not assigning it to her at all.
Even though I regret not being more involved in her education now that she's at boarding school, I know that the fact that she doesn't bring homework home any more is potentially the saving of our relationship.
The other thing is that she is no longer being penalised on a regular basis for disorganisation and confusion. I know that executive skills are something you need to learn, but is it fair that you should be punished and your academic progress affected if you don't have them? DD spent the first seven years of her life living in chaos, so it's not surprising that five years later she can't keep sheets of paper flat or remember all the parts of her PE kit.
I have a colleague who's just been elected parent-governor of his daughter's school. I am training him up nicely!
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Post by milly on Oct 13, 2015 16:47:39 GMT
Same here, especially with lack of organisation, although dd's schools (She's on her second) have never commented adversely on the quality of her homework fortunately and don't seem to take it too seriously. I have had to take responsibility for at the very least making sure dd has the resources and has had a go at her work. Some of the projects have been massive and probably more my work than hers.
But finally she seems to be getting somewhere (year 10!). She actually did her last maths homework without either moaning OR (even more remarkably) saying she couldn't do it or that she needed help. Hooray! However she did get me to write a note to her English teacher yesterday to say she didn't understand the work and that I'd help her with it today. The response - he didn't believe she didn't understand, and when I got in from work, found she had had a decent go at it, proving him right!
Not only that, but she printed it off, sorted it, stapled it and put it in her bag without me asking her to. Major step forward! All rather late, but shows they can get there eventually! (Here's hoping things don't go back to normal.....)
But it is an uphill struggle, I know. And really key that the work is within the child's capabilities. Good luck Serrakunda with your meeting.
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Post by rosie on Oct 15, 2015 23:05:46 GMT
Really sympathise because homework has been a battle here too. Some of the topics covered too have not seemed age appropriate. Year 7 seemed to be particularly bad. Our dd struggles to organise herself and never quite knows what is expected even though it has been explained in class; forgets to bring appropriate books home when needed, sheets scrumpled in bag even when plastic folders provided, needs organising to have the right books etc every morning. We battle to get her to start homework and complete it without sitting up late and then and most frustrating of all she forgets to give in the homework when she has completed it ! We have now started first year of GCSEs in year 10, and her organisational skills are still poor. I have tried to step back a bit as it was ruining our relationship. She still needs reminding and help but with some of the more straight forward homework is getting it done more independently. Maths was our biggest problem but we organised a tutor for her and that really seems to have helped; and we are not getting the meltdowns we had before. I think you are right to go and discuss Simba's difficulties with school. If he has an EHC plan they must expect to adjust things to help him cope. I have always emailed teacher's if I feel dd has really struggled and got anxious about homework and found the majority have been quite helpful. I have just had an email from school saying dd will be participating in an intervention to 'help build up her resilience skills and help her deal with difficult and anxiety providing situations' after half term. Sounds like they are finally beginning to realise she does have some difficulties. Am hoping it may help with the homework, but think she needs another for organising herself. Hope your meeting goes well
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Post by serrakunda on Oct 16, 2015 15:27:28 GMT
Had a very good meeting with the SENCO and other member of support team, primarily about homework and support in school. Obviously very early days, and a lot of things will be coming into place over next half term. If it all happens I'll be pleased.
Her jaw dropped when she saw the geography homework, lots of raised eyebrows, has taken it away to have words with the teacher. We have agreed an approach about what he will and will not do, particularly when life story work starts
Apparently he is a delightful child, a joy to teach.......!
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Post by rosie on Oct 16, 2015 18:08:53 GMT
Sounds like a positive result ! You must be proud 'he is a joy to teach' Hope he gets the help promised.
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Post by serrakunda on Dec 7, 2015 20:24:39 GMT
Mutual meltdown over science homework tonight, very close to physical altrecation between us, I had walked away from desk as he was refusing to cooperate when I was trying to help him, he followed me and starts squaring up to me, I put my hand up to tell him to keep him distance so he runs at me and ends up on the floor
The homework is not finished I've emailed school to say that I'm not prepared to tolerate the disruption this causes our homelife
I feel all the good work over the weekend has just gone up in a puff of stupid science homework
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Post by rosie on Dec 7, 2015 23:44:31 GMT
So so understand where you are coming from. We have had a horrendous evening with homework. dd's stress levels have rocketed since we started GCSE courses. It is so ruining our relationship. We were beginning to think she was beginning to get more independent but have had a real regression in the past few weeks. It could be the therapy she has started which is making her quite angry at times, but I think it is more about getting so stressed she can't think straight. I will have to go into school again I think.
Is there anyway Simba could get a bit of support with homework through school with EHC hours and pp+? would that take the pressure off a bit ? DD's school have a homework club but it is not really supervised so she ends up on a computer doing games etc rather than doing the task set; but some schools do offer more help. My niece who is now in year 13 ( and does not have the difficulties dd has) has been helping younger children who cannot organise themselves or need support to do their homework for some time at an after school club. I think she gets paid for doing it too. I think there are teachers there too so it is well supervised.It might be worth asking. We wish my niece lived nearer and could encourage dd, or that her school did a similar thing.
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Post by rosie on Dec 8, 2015 23:23:26 GMT
I take back a little bit of what I said yesterday. I went in to see the Head of year and teacher in charge of PP+ recently. They seemed quite understanding about homework, and her low self esteem, and said they would send an email round to teachers so they knew some of the difficulties we were having. DD has got in a real muddle with her GCSE photography work, causing even more stress. Lack of organisation and lots of unfinished pieces, so I emailed the teacher. Got a lovely response she will help dd sort her work tomorrow and put post its stating what is missing from her book so we can get back on track in the holiday; and she suggests dd comes to her after school Monday group for children who lack organisation or cannot work well at home to do some of her photography homework and catch up from lessons. She also said if she completes everything properly she will re grade the unfinished work. It just shows that some teachers do take things on board. She had obviously read the email from head of year. I know the graphics teacher also sometimes does this; so there are probably more teachers that do.
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