Would any of the gentlemen care to comment ?

Hmmmm....

Better than here - loo seat stays down and gets peed on - and I still get to clear it up!

I'd settle for DS1 lifting the seat... and flushing once in a while.... sigh...........

Mr Mudlark really does need to learn to clean his bottom


 But seriously yuk! 

I wonder if if this an age thing.  Simba has s bit of an ASD thing about loo roll and flushing so don't have that problem.  But the kids next door are another matter.  All three are in and out of the two houses playing.  Whenever they are here they both always do a poo but they never flush.  They are 6.  About two years ago when they were about 4, next doors garden drain was blocked, when it was cleaned out it was full of poo, guess who ?  And these are two well adjusted, perfectly normal children 

Actually Pluto, who did make the 'boys stand up to pee' rule?? Sitting is so much more refined! Lol

But.....snooz can often 'spray' a bit when going for number 2s as its not pointing down. I've seen him holding it down before now so it's not like he wants it to happen. When standing he does aim pretty well, but having the attention span of a gnat he can't stay focussed for the entire pee.

Antibacterial spray is my closest friend x

Peewit came to us at 3 ..standing to pee..the Foster carers proudly told us they had trained him to stand... I have not been unable to untrain him...as it was drummed into him that this was the proper way for a boy to pee or else he would be like a girl...................aggghhhhhhh

Mudlark for sure you can make a 4 year old sit down. Just make a rule (i love moo's, we don't have standing facilities) and inforce it every time he goes. My youngest came at 6 with very weird ideas about man and female roles, sorry he lives with me now and I decide the rules in my house. He too was standing, girls were not allowed to play football, he does not have to do dishes because he's a 'man' and more. 
Go through it, maybe a week or 2 it is tricky, after that you will have no pee seats anymore. He can not change because for you this issue is not bad enough. If he would put his hand in the toilet bowl and than lick his fingers you reaction would be strong. As this has to stop because it is dangerous. Think of this strength when you give the message we pee sitting down. Not shouting or anger just very decisive, no discussion, it is how it is in this family. 
Children up to 7 do not need much explanation but should be taken in the flow how things are done.
If Serrekunda decides she wants to tackle this she needs to talk to her son as he's older and explain, maybe even let him talk to adult friends who sit down. Still she can enforce the rule in her house after that. 

Foster carer told him you're a girl if sitting, well I'm your mother now and she is wrong. My child was allowed to eat burgers, chips and bread only at foster carers, and by me he has to eat veg and fruit. Families are different, the fc's rules and values are not mine, that is perfectly oke.
The orphanage rules are not mine, they told him all sort of carp including scare tacktics to keep him in bed, a monster what will grab you etc. No wonder he was not toilet trained, would you dare to go to the toilet at night.

Mine came to me standing but we have a 'sit down and hold down' rule - with exactly the same reasoning and explanation as Moo. OCD helps with flushing and washing!

I changed them from standing because I was fed up cleaning -or stepping in it - and also was told the bladder empties better when sitting.

I soon realised the wee around the toilet was actually a stress signal and nothing to do with aim. Thankfully it's a while since we have had such high stress and we all now have dry feet!

Flossie that's amused me..Lapwing tries standing up on the toilet seat and weeing from a great height, sitting backwards and weeing ....her skill and aim is better than peewits!

I think I'd avoid getting competitive on that one - especially as we have a mixed group.... 

For the original question...

I still don't know why it's supposedly important that the loo seat be down, and neither is Kermit. It's not an issue in our house.

Our rule is that if you wee on the floor or the loo seat, then you clean it up. Enforcing it is, of course, another matter.


The sitting or standing issue...

Sitting down, you run the risk of spraying between the seat and the bowl. And you can get splashback, which isn't pleasant or particularly easy to clean. As you get to your teenage years and everything gets bigger, there is less room and it can get pretty crowded between your legs, the loo, your "bits" and trying to get your hand in there to keep everything pointed in the right direction. It also depends on the state of your willy at the time. If you're freezing cold and it's shrunk to the size of a peanut, it's pretty hard to organise. Similarly if it's all excited.

Design of the loo bowl is also important. If it's not the right size and shape then you can make contact which feels pretty gross.

When you get to my age, it can be difficult to get rid of all the last drips when you're sitting down. Much easier when you're standing. So you risk drips on the loo seat when you stand up, or, even worse, into your pants or trousers. And, worst of all, residual leakage when you've pulled everything up. That's why beige is not a good colour for older men's trousers.

Weak story Corkwing,   You are not supposed to be able to pee anyway 'if it's all exited'!
Peanut size means plenty of room to direct! 
About drops, that's where toilet paper is for! Why do most man not use paper after peeing? That is my question, if you wipe there are no drops, if you leak there is probably a prostate issue going on.
Reading the article I'm believing sitting down just makes man pee out better.

I might be wrong (as I'm a woman), but looking at the anatomie of the male species I can not see any reason why it is a challenge to sit down. Is it not that if you keep your legs tightly together the pee can only go in one direction and that is down? 

What was my question again?

So, if toilets were higher....or had adjustable heights...peeing while standing up could be a lot more accurate right? I mean less distance to travel so less room for error?  

Sat here giggling. Sqk normally sits down but occasionally stands - not had many issues yet at all. As to seat up or down - I deal with whichever way it is when I get to it....