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Post by monkey on Jul 7, 2014 19:54:42 GMT
Any teachers out there? I just wondered if we should expect formal notification of SATS results and if so, when? BDs school made such a big thing out of them but there's no parents evening set up to review results or to sign off transitional paperwork for secondary school (like we did for the transition to primary). Am I expecting too much? MMx |
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Post by leo on Jul 7, 2014 20:22:20 GMT
Results should be out this week - and you should then get notification of the test results. Be aware though that schools often tell the children during the day before their parents know (and some disappointed children then have to cope with this all day) - if you don't want this to happen I'd go and see the teacher tomorrow morning to ask that you are notified first and are able to tell your daughter in private.
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Post by kstar on Jul 12, 2014 22:53:49 GMT
Starlet's school gave out results to y6 earlier this week :-)
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Post by milly on Jul 13, 2014 7:21:19 GMT
Results were officially available last Tuesday. Yes schools have to notify parents formally with requirements around informing you about percentages across the year and comparisons with last year, as well as your child's teacher assessment and sat results. At our school the computer generates results sheets for each child.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 15, 2014 21:06:17 GMT
Is it usual to have a discrepancy between teacher assessment & actual test results? What to believe? If any!
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Post by leo on Jul 15, 2014 22:13:23 GMT
Fairly common yes. Depending on the reliability/experience of the teacher I'd say their assessment is usually the more realistic/true.
It is difficult to know how much to believe SATs tests as the score needed to attain certain levels aren't decided until a fair proportion of the tests have been marked - so they can be 'massaged' to give a particular number of children achieving or not achieving certain levels (not that I'm cynical at all!)
That said, there usually isn't too much difference between the two sets of results, maybe a 3A teacher assessment becomes a 4C or 4B in the test - but not much more than that.
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Post by milly on Jul 15, 2014 22:18:16 GMT
The test is done as a one off (obviously) and children can over or underperform on the day- although most get similar results to their teacher assessment. Remember there are thresholds with tests - one mark below and the child is awarded a whole level less. Similarly at the threshold, a child is only one mark into the next level. So yes there are always discrepancies.
My older dd scored below expected in reading and her teacher refused to assess at the level she should have got (ie was.) But somehow scarped a level above in maths which gave her secondary school a false expectation.
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Post by milly on Jul 15, 2014 22:21:15 GMT
I have tried three times to change scarped to scarped. What is wrong with the edit function??
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Post by milly on Jul 15, 2014 22:21:49 GMT
Oh it still won't allow the right spelling!
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Post by nzhb on Jul 16, 2014 13:22:56 GMT
Thank you - my DD was given all 4's in her teacher assessment, but got 3's in the tests.
Given that she has ADHD & was highly stressed by the exams I am not surprised by the discrepancy, but just wondered where she actually functions.
Having said that she has worked v well this year & her school report reflects this.
My DD sees herself as a failure due to the 3's & says lots of children get 6's.
Hmmmm.......
If only there were awards & scores for effort
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Post by milly on Jul 16, 2014 19:20:10 GMT
I doubt 'lots' of children get 6s. But it is hard to get 3 because most will do better. My dd was the only person in her class (school) to get 3 in reading - what I hate the most is the % given which would let people guess there was only one child to 'fail' and suspect people could guess who that was. She was not the worst reader by a long way further down the school but HATES tests so just rushes to get them over. So her test results rarely reflect her actual ability. We are still working on this in secondary as they have so many assessments - she has to have a TA with her to calm her and keep her plodding on.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 16, 2014 21:00:05 GMT
Do you mean it IS hard to get a 3 ( in which case, maybe she hasn't done v well after all) or it isn't hard to get a 3. Sorry I am being a bit thick!
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Post by milly on Jul 16, 2014 21:02:53 GMT
Sorry for being unclear, I mean its not good to get a 3 so difficult to deal with.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 16, 2014 21:52:58 GMT
Oh I see - maybe I am being a bit blase then. Even though I wasn't expecting v much as our children have so much else to cope with, SATS seem the least of their worries. Nonetheless my DD's teacher told us she would be fine in the tests & so did her private tutor who she has for 1 hour per week ( to boost her confidence).
Maybe my DD's sense of failure is correct then.
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Post by chotimonkey on Jul 16, 2014 21:59:22 GMT
National average is level 4 at ks2 sats, kids are expected to be at level 5 and above in yr9 if they are expected to get and above at gcse but it us by no means an exact science.
As a secondary school teacher of English we often found SAts grades higher than actual overall Abbility as kids had been drilled to sats style questions but had lost ground in other areas... They also have a big of a slump as they are so busy getting their heads round being at secondary school... The change is huge, but once they settle they pick up
Hope ur lovely yr 6 has a lovely holiday... There is that lovely yr 6 letter from a school on barrow ford to google explaining to their kids that they are wonderful and ever and unique and it doesn't matter what their says results say
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Post by nzhb on Jul 16, 2014 22:14:26 GMT
So -as my DD had 3's in all her tests results, yet 4's in all her teacher assessments - what should I do next?
We have been thinking about statementing, but know this is hard.
She does have ADHD so always knew the concentration would be a problem.
Should I expect more help from the school ?
Incidentally my DD says she found the tests'easy'.
Clearly not.
Maybe I need to start worrying more about her academic performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 7:32:36 GMT
Sounds like she is just a little bit below average with 4's being average. I doubt very much that any kids got 6's!
Is DD about to start secondary school in September?
If so perhaps it might be best to speak to the Senco there to ask about her getting extra support.
I know her current school aren't that supportive or understanding so hopefully new school will be better.
Is she on school action plus?
Having ADHD does not mean she won't do well.
My friend's child has ADHD & autism and he is doing 10 GCSE's.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 17, 2014 7:56:27 GMT
No - we are staying at same school - the children change at 13 in our area.
School are now MUCH more supportive - one of the senior teachers in the management structure is 'on our side' after all the nonsense that has gone on.
So we stick with it for the moment.
Have an idea of where she will go for secondary & will apply to change when the time is right.
Yes, she is on SA+
Expecting her to be in lowest stream next term.
She is enthusiatic about school still & we want it to stay this way, but equally want her to make some progress.
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Post by chotimonkey on Jul 17, 2014 13:18:47 GMT
sometimes its better to be a level 3 instead of a low 4, as you are more likely to be given etra support esp if she is on SA+
but sats are not a true indicator of ability... our school had yr 7 catch up sessions after school for our level threes, fun, small groups, v nurturing with prizes and lots of individual attention and encouragement
this is the lovely letter i mentioned before... Please find enclosed your end of KS2 test results. We are very proud of you as you demonstrated huge amounts of commitment and tried your very best during this tricky week.
However, we are concerned that these tests do not always assess all of what it is that make each of you special and unique. The people who create these tests and score them do not know each of you... the way your teachers do, the way I hope to, and certainly not the way your families do.
They do not know that many of you speak two languages. They do not know that you can play a musical instrument or that you can dance or paint a picture.
They do not know that your friends count on you to be there for them or that your laughter can brighten the dreariest day. They do not know that you write poetry or songs, play or participate in sports, wonder about the future, or that sometimes you take care of your little brother or sister after school.
They do not know that you have travelled to a really neat place or that you know how to tell a great story or that you really love spending time with special family members and friends.
They do not know that you can be trustworthy, kind or thoughtful, and that you try, every day, to be your very best... the scores you get will tell you something, but they will not tell you everything.
So enjoy your results and be very proud of these but remember there are many ways of being smart.
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Post by milly on Jul 17, 2014 17:46:32 GMT
Firstly I expect the teacher's assessments are more accurate - maybe your dd is not good at tests. ADHD children often aren't. My dd hates them, just rushes to get them over and she has ADHD.
Secondly even if she was level 3 that wouldn't meet the criteria for a statement as level 3- 5 is the expected range for year 6s.
Dd's school applied for a statement for her last year on academic/ social/ behavioural grounds but she was turned down. We knew she would be as her primary school always said she didn't meet the criteria even though to my mind she is underachieving and is on the lower side attainment-wise.
On the plus side she was allocated an Ed psychologist due to her needs. The one involved now is great - knows all about attachment and adoption etc. The school have put in lots of emotional support and dd hasn't been getting into any trouble, is doing better in class and her relationships with peers have improved.
So applying for a statement - which you can do yourself - might be a good idea even if you don't get one.
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Post by kstar on Jul 25, 2014 8:28:07 GMT
Wy not ask your school if they offer Miskin reading?
Perhaps it's something they could use PPP money for?
We have had year 7 children this year go up four years in reading age, following an intensive six week Miskin programme!
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Post by ham on Jul 27, 2014 20:25:39 GMT
I know I am going back a few years but my dd stats were far better then expected so I investigated it transpired she kept asking to go to the toilet but went via all the clever kids to look at their answers.
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Post by janpan on Aug 5, 2014 20:16:20 GMT
In truth, although we take account of the SATs tests, many secondary schools test levels separately once the Y7s have started. In most secondary schools there will be lots of kids who have achieved Level 3 in their English and Maths. There will be some who don't achieve this. This will apply to all state schools, even the ones with outstanding results.
For clarity, in many subjects students are only expected to be Level 3 when they enter secondary school anyway - it's only English, Maths and Science (maybe) where they would be expected to be Level 4. They are supposed to make 2 full levels of progress between Y7 and the end of Y9. That is how they will be measured from now on - on the progress they make, not so much on their starting level. So at a level 3a, say, she will be on target for a level 5, which in theory, suggests that she should achieve a C at GCSE - but it's not in any way set in stone and there will be a lot of opportunities to improve beyond this.
If she is in the lower set, she is likely to be in a smaller class which will also mean accelerated reading programmes which can be fantastic.
As Chotimonkey suggests, I wouldn't worry about it too much at this stage. Having a reasonable transition and settling in to secondary with all the appropriate support is absolutely what the school will be looking for and what will make for a good learning environment. Enjoy the remaining weeks of the holiday, hope you have a decent time.
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