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Post by serrakunda on Jun 11, 2014 23:03:42 GMT
I've been asked to sign a petition, I haven't yet as I was a bit concerned about the comments from people who have already signed, mostly along the lines of they are lovely people and have the 'right' to adopt and everyone has a right to a family
While I think the couple concerned do seem to have been particularly hard done by, I don't think I agree that everyone has a 'right' to a family, birth or adoptive
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Post by lilka on Jun 12, 2014 2:42:06 GMT
No, definitely don't agree with that. You cannot be 'entitled' to adopt. It's a privelage. In an ideal world, everyone who wanted to be a parent and would be a good enough parent, would be able to have a family, yes. But adoption is about the children. YOU have to be good enough for them. YOU have to prove that you are the right person for adoption. Children aren't objects to be handed out to someone who feels entitled to one of them. They're people who deserve parents who've been thoroughly vetted so the state can be as sure as they can be that they will be good parents (and if the state don't do that, then they are failing the children).
Article 12 of the ECHR says "Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry and to found a family, according to the national laws governing the exercise of this right" (emphasis mine). So yes, establishing a family has long been regarded a human right, but not in the context of it being a right to just be handed a child by the state, and the state is allowed to set some rules governing who is allowed to marry and who is allowed to adopt etc.
No one has the inaliable right to parent their child no matter the circumstances anyway - a court can take away your children, with enough evidence of significant harm/risk of such.
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Post by shadow on Jun 12, 2014 12:07:18 GMT
depends on the reason they are being turned down - is it discrimination? have they appealed ? someones personal opinion? or is it a valid reason?
every child has a right to a family - and if good enough parents are being turned down then that is wrong as it means some children may not get to live in a permanent family
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Post by ham on Jun 12, 2014 13:03:20 GMT
no not everybody has a right to adopt.WE know there are unsuitable parents out there otherwise we would not have our children.
However I when I worked for an Catholic organisation the SWs on the adoption team did seem to have arbitrary rules. One would not accept a couple as they were using contraception and another couple rejected because they were not? Now I did not no the full story but if this is the case then people have the right to have reason looked at as to why they have been rejected.
the IRM now exists to relook at cases.
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Post by serrakunda on Jun 12, 2014 14:48:58 GMT
This particular couple have been through IRM, who had recommended they are suitable to adopt but they can't get an agency to work with them, so it does seem unfair,
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Post by moo on Jun 13, 2014 5:55:32 GMT
 Seems a bonkers situation.... But it is tuff without being allowed to know 'why ' & what the 'findings' were.....
But yep not a 'right' but a privilege....
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by corkwing on Jun 13, 2014 7:07:45 GMT
I agree with others, that no one has a right to adopt.
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Post by milly on Jun 13, 2014 12:38:57 GMT
Definitely agree there is no right to adopt. Seems a foolish way to word a petition since I can't see it being agreed by the powers that be regardless of how many signatories they might get. Better to focus on the actual issues involved in the case, although I still can't see how a petition would be the way forward. People sign petitions at a moment's notice because they have sympathy with the issue - but that's not to say they have true understanding of the issues involved. Maybe it could get someone to reconsider but surely there are other ways?
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Post by imp on Jun 14, 2014 10:42:17 GMT
To me this smacks of total misunderstanding of adoption.
It isn't a case of just giving a child to Adopters because they have 'ticked boxes' but about those people being right for the LO. A vast difference, and unfortunately there are some people who can tick the boxes for whom there just isn't a child who needs them
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Post by serrakunda on Jun 14, 2014 18:16:20 GMT
It was someone I'd offered some support to on the other place re changing agencies, and to be fair to them they didn't use the words right to adopt in their petition, it was the comments of people who'd signed it
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Post by pirate on Jun 17, 2014 20:53:36 GMT
Difficult one,
I'm trying to adopt and can offer my love/experience etc being a mum to a birth child......but that is not enough evidence/satisfaction for the sw.
In another way, not everyone is (various reasons, loosely typed) may not be suitable to be a parent.
However, the system is too geared into tick box system than each case on merits.
Such a tough subject, good thread though!
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