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Post by kizim on May 30, 2014 15:56:33 GMT
Hi All
Enigma ran again this week.......we had paid for her to go on a driving course and stay at a relatives as it was too far away for her to travel...then we found out that she only attended the first half hour and was then roaming the town with an undesirable friend.
She wouldnt admit to anything...then wouldnt say where she was.....then she went to school and didnt come back.
36 hours later we get a call from the poliçe that she is with them...have we beaten her up and she is asking for a restraining order. They held her til İ got there and after hours of trying to get er to come home she comes...but only on the proviso that İ will pay for her to stay in a girls dorm in town for 2 weeks İ kind of agree as long as she stays til Sunday.All is calm Then my d%%n hband arrives and reads her the riot act and she is ready to run again.
İ dont know whether to let her go...tell him to go...or run away myself.
İ feel like we are about to implode
!! Jofran Enigma was 18 last week...feels she can now run everything herself
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Post by damson on May 30, 2014 17:01:31 GMT
Hi kizim I will pm you.
xxx D
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Post by moo on May 31, 2014 5:01:09 GMT
Sending you hugs & lorry loads of support kizim... {{{{}}}} No real advice I am sorry xx we are all here for you... Please keep posting & vent as much as you need {{{}}}
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by kizim on May 31, 2014 5:58:32 GMT
Yes, she did...and is...making progress. This time she kept herself safe and checked in with adults...not me tho'...but she does not accept responsibility for her actions and clams they are justified because of my/our reaction.
Maybe she is right....certainly İ have come to expect the worst from these runs of hers and accuse her of behaviours that maybe she is innocent of. The police were very good but said she is 18 she can go. She has a very unrealistic view of life alone. All she can think of is being in control of her life....but funded by me.
Before my husband started...İ had got her to agree to a temporary 2 week cooling off with her staying elsewhere during which time we would plan a way forwards together...but now she says she is going tomorrow
İ asked her why she went to the poice and she said it was because we threaten her with callng the police and she wanted to let us know that she would call the police on us if we tried to bring her home.
She was taking citalprim and abrubtly stopped 2 weeks ago...but maybe İ am just making excuses.
İ feel İ have been too hard on her, too aggressive, too soft, too quick to believe her , too quick to condemn her
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Post by kizim on May 31, 2014 18:14:44 GMT
what a difference a day makes....24 little hours
Much better day, after a shaky start. Enigma's head pivoted back to facing forwards...she was very sorry for her behaviour. Doesn't want to leave home - yet. Felt we hadn't appreciated her progress. We had talked but what seemed to register was that we had made progress but we all have sensitive buttons that cause almost involuntary actions. İ was very impressed by her ability to step back and altho
İ reminded her that altho she is changing her reaction is still to lie if she senses trouble...my reaction is hurt which trips my sarcasm and her dad reacts by blaming all her friends and keeping her in purdah - and down we go like dominoes!
So we are back to looking at uni courses...back on meds in order to come off them properly...visit to the docs to agree this - followed by a trip to the polis with some baklava. This time İ will be dressed well and wearing slap so that İ can challenge the pc WHO called me an old woman!!
Joking apart, this was short lived but a nightmare. Hope we all learn enough to prevent a repetition any time soon. Thank you for your messages and prayers...and for reading. İts good to know there is a place to share
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 20:26:50 GMT
Have only just caught up with this Kizim and am so glad that you were all able to resolve it amicably.
Enigma is too clever to waste her life. Let's hope it was just a one off blip about turning 18 and trying to prove she's all grown up.
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Post by peartree on Jun 1, 2014 6:38:39 GMT
Dear kizim,
Mr pt and I have lived through our son turning 18 and he was in a right state. He did some disappearing off and getting trapped in a web of lies he couldn't see a way out of. We went on a course. It was the holly van gulden one called "roadmap to leaving home" The notes on this course are on the resources section. Honestly, we've done a lot of the things suggested on the course but the key messages were 'children who arrive in a hurry, leave in a hurry' and building alive connections within the family. Mr pt spending the weekend with Partridge is one of the tasks we are trying to grow more roots within relationships here as a young adult. Perhaps worth a look
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Post by damson on Jun 1, 2014 10:14:27 GMT
Hi kizim So relieved to hear she's home, and that everyone had a sober look at how things were going wrong. She had the grace to what she'd done and why she went to the Police.
Similar story here, really, if we are honest. I particularly liked the bit about blame the friends and purdah. Yes, oh dear, how well that would have worked on me when I was 16-18...
The balance between freedom and responsibility isn't easy for any of us. Thanks Peartree, I will also be reading the HVG notes on roadmap to leaving home.
xxx D
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Post by nzhb on Jun 2, 2014 11:59:39 GMT
Citalopram shouldn't be stopped suddenly - it can cause feelings of panic/dizziness/nausea/tremor/sweating . It should be reduced gradually over a minimum of 2 weeks, or longer if needed. Citalopram should be reduced v cautiously in younger people & is usually supervised by CAMHS or paeds. Wonder if abrupt cessation has anything to do with actions? How long had she been on it?
Hope you are all hanging in there & starting to reconnect.
x
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Post by kizim on Jun 3, 2014 11:19:01 GMT
Thank you all....a wild storm blew out the modem so have been unable to connect - maybe it caused Enigmas brainstorm She seems to have calmed right down again now...and has turned back to wanting a gap year to gain some work experience before applying to uni. Thanks PearTree İ have read this resource of yours before..is there a book or more detail elsewhere. İ found some of the concepts really intersting and would like to do some with Enigma İ am aware how İ hold some of the fear of past events over Enigma altho İ keep telling her otherwise...as soon as there is an issue those fears are back..Enigma says we do not appreciate just how hard she is working on herself to change. What is an acceptable level of freedom? She has taken risks and made herself vulnerable to danger...been a bit promiscuous in a looking for love kind of way but she doesnt do drugs doesnt really drink, smokes a few cigarettes 2/3 a day - but she holds in a lot of anger and hates to be wrong so combusts if challenged She was prescribed the meds for her anger nzhb and hasnt been on them long but keeps stopping starting even tho İ keep warning her and trying to monitör her. Told her if she wants to stop it needs to be slowly. İ really feel we need to get our parenting style together too - how do you all manage a united or not so united front? We have always struggled with this one...he thinks İm too soft İ think hes unreasonable...and yet often enigma gets on with him more...but since they fought 3 months ago she is cold towards him
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Post by peartree on Jun 4, 2014 21:03:16 GMT
Kizim, I've had a look and found this Leaving home can be additionally hazardous for adopted young people due to their previous unsatisfactory experience of partings and their emotional vulnerabilities. Holly’s training emphasised the importance of good attachments being in place so that young people have relationships to separate from. Thus the work towards leaving home should start when children are young, for example, by ensuring that life story books have full accounts not only of the young person’s life in their adoptive family but also information about their adopters which allows them to see in which ways they are alike and in which ways they are different. In this way differentiation from adopters does not inevitably mean being like birth parents, and adolescents may feel less driven to seek out birth family members or those who remind them of birth family. Holly stressed also that the phases of grief associated with adoption can appear throughout childhood Breakfast and that the searching phase can promote a sense of needing to reconnect with birth family. Her advice here is that reunification is best undertaken at a time when the adopted young person has successfully left but is still well connected to their adoptive family. Holly emphasised the importance building both permanence (believing a person still exists even when they are not with you) and constancy (trusting you are loved even when your attachment figure is angry with you). Both these concepts can be under strain in adolescence. You can hear more useful information on these by looking Holly’s videos on BAAF (British Agencies of Adoption and Fostering) area of Youtube. She also gave the following tips: • Complete a full written loss history for your child including their age and situation; what the loss/transition/trauma was; who left? What changed? And what connections were maintained and with whom and how? • Consider the loss history carefully to learn how your child may approach leaving home and what messages you will need to help them unlearn. • Teach your child how you and any other family members manage/d leaving(s) by telling these stories or putting them in life-story books. • Give the young person increasing and appropriate levels of responsibility while still in the family. • Prepare for their leaving over time by writing a careful plan regarding all elements of leaving together with your child. This would include how they will be able to stay connected to the family. (eg ‘you can take this with you when you leave’) and practice these. • Keep connected with safety, comfort, warmth, food and joy!
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Post by peartree on Jun 4, 2014 21:06:13 GMT
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Post by kizim on Jun 5, 2014 13:42:05 GMT
Thank you so much Peartree and Tokoloshe İ will look up tose links PT have already started sending short texts to let her know İm thinking of her when she is not here. We run a restaurant and some English guests came. Enigma was chatting with them and after they came and said what a wonderful daughter İ had and how much they liked the way she thought and expressed herself...siad İ must be very proud of her.Told Enigma and she was almost tearful...looked anxiously at me and asked if İ was proud of her. İ assured her we were. Later OH and İ talked about how we need to see Enigma in the same light and acknowledge her good points more - and try not to take it personally when her hedonistic alter ego appears Thank you x
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Post by kizim on Jun 19, 2014 15:16:46 GMT
...and off she goes again
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Post by damson on Jun 19, 2014 19:29:04 GMT
Oh dear. Ms Hyde again. ((((Kizim and DH)))) I hope she reappears soon.
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Post by kizim on Jun 20, 2014 19:56:54 GMT
Thank you...especially the ((((hugs))))) İ am trying a new tactic...just sent 1 message yesterday but will not be doing my usual arbitration role or chasing after her. She has blocked me on fb anyway. DH and I are in agreement - finally. We are heartbroken but have decided to keep smiling. ...Whizz is to altho she hates lying - this is a small village and we run a family restaurant and Enigma is a key person here ..so she is missed by one and all, but she is 18 and seems to be able to take care of herself more even if her problem solving skill is still to run. She has keys on her for a friends holiday home and she asked me a few days ago when would this friend be here next - so İ think she is playing house there. My instincts ae saying leave her to it...hard as that is. Do you agree? İ must admit that although İ feel sick inside part of me is relieved that a) İ don't have to find her and persuade her to come home and b) İ dont have to deal with her moods and behaviour. Whizz is a wyziwyg so musch easier to deal with. Well that is how İ feel today anyway.
kizim sometimes İ feel like İ am always tryng to fix the unfixable..and failing badly
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Post by mrmlegal on Jun 21, 2014 12:58:25 GMT
I had the same situation but, here, the legal age to leave is 16. My dd2 climbed out the window at 12.05am on her birthday and did not return for 10 days. I knew where she was, although she did not know this, and I decided that I would not chase after her and insist she returned. She did come back 10 days later and, although she then attempted to move out (in a slightly more organised fashion) a couple more times, she did not finally move out until she was 22. I believe she was shocked that I did not chase after her at 16 but left her to it and did not fund her while she was away. We now have an excellent relationship and she is constantly in touch several times a day! I do believe that sometimes they have to realise for themselves that the grass is not always greener and let them decide for themselves to return when realisation hits.
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Post by damson on Jun 21, 2014 19:52:20 GMT
Dear kizim You've made a brave choice. No more chasing, remonstrating or mopping up. It's hard letting people make their own mistakes, as you know it could hurt. But as Pluto says, she is making her own choices. I hope she reappears in good shape And she can grown into a friendly adult relationship with you and DH. xxx D
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Post by damson on Jun 23, 2014 16:57:40 GMT
((((Kizim)))) Still holding you in mind. Hope all is well on the home front.
xxx D
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Post by kizim on Jun 23, 2014 22:38:03 GMT
Thank you Damson...and Pluto...Mrs Legal - İ would love our situation to end up like yours - not sure it will though. No news so far and we have not even attempted to look for her. We just keep hoping that the maturity she has shown over the last year means that she will be able to take care of herself. We both feel we have to take some of the responsibility - we are not always the best of parents for Enigma...our expectations are more than she can manage - but she was looking for a reason to go. She wants to try and live her life and says she cannot cope with our family....the next minute she is scared to leave even for college. We live 45mins outside a majör tourist area so work will not be a problem. İ feel we wont hear from her for some time. Whizz is angry/upset but pretends otherwise. We took on 2 uni students at our restaurant and they have really lifted our spirits. Tonight Whizz said they were like the sisters she never had İ reminded her that they didnt really know each other...Enigma said much the same the day before she left - said she felt more appreciated by our customers than by us. We try not to speak about her much. İ had a wobble today but kept myself busy. Every day İ Wrap her in a blanket and hand her over to God/the universe /guardian angel to look after her for me İ dont know if she will miss us İ really appreciate your thoughts
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Post by mrmlegal on Jun 24, 2014 12:37:08 GMT
I don't know how often I was told that I was the mother from hell. They grow up, however, and realisation hits them eventually that what you do for them (even the restrictions you place on them) are for their own good and done out of love. You will no doubt have a wobbly couple of years but she will survive and so will you and I'd be surprised if you do not end up with a much better relationship with her at the end of it.
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Post by damson on Jun 24, 2014 21:20:30 GMT
Dear Kizim Don't lose your nerve. Everyone has to grow up, and part of growing up is choosing to ask for advice and help. She knows she can turn to you. You can now truthfully say that you trusted her to manage her life. She is free to return, but if she lives with you, she has to abide by the house rules. Dignity matters on both sides.
I have been step mother from hell, and no doubt still star in 'mother from hell' on occasion. Malcolm in the Middle's mother can make me laugh so hard I wheeze.
It is paradoxical that you can raise a child and still not know them, but I do understand that feeling (it does not stop you loving them.) And truthfully, all teenagers think that no-one understands what their life is like. I do know I wouldn't choose to re-live my own teenage years!
I guess the customers see the nice, responsible grown up Enigma. But in your parental minds lurks all the worry and second guessing at the worst.
Enjoy the company of the nice students, and plan something pleasant to look forward to that cannot be trashed in any way by Enigma - either by her not being there, or by her being there (!) Now there is a challenge for the wise ones...
xxx D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 8:15:11 GMT
Just catching up with this Kizim. Didn't realise Enigma had gone AWOL again.
From reading your posts about her, she does seem to be quite sensible underneath it all and I'm sure she will keep herself safe.
Maybe this is just something she needs to get out of her system before sense returns. The fact that she asked you if your friends were coming over to their house, shows she is thinking of staying somewhere safe and that has to be a good thing.
Although it's hard, I think you are doing the right thing, to not go running after her this time. She knows where you are and she will return when she is ready, needs money clothes etc. If you don't react too much and try and remain calm and rational and a little disinterested, she might just think running away is not really worth it and return of her own accord.
Will she be starting college after the summer?
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