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Post by vickyvixen on Feb 2, 2014 20:41:09 GMT
I was just after information from those who have adopted school-aged kiddies. How long were they with you for before they started school? I assume it is slightly different if they were already going to school before being placed (& even more so if they are staying at the same school!) but I just wondered as I hope to get a school-aged lo & wondered how much time I had to sort schools out after matching. Thanks - I've not really been thinking about this side of it as too busy with home study/homework and assumed I'd have time!
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Post by knight on Feb 2, 2014 21:27:20 GMT
Hi I'm sure you'll get varying answers dependent on how long ago people adopted. I've met with a couple of the Heads this last week and this is a question I asked: from the schools' point of view (even with a compulsory school aged child), both schools said they'd work with whatever the agreed plan was (I wasn't sure if school would take issue with it, but clearly not). I'd recently asked my SW the same question and she said they would not insist on the child having to quickly go to school and would be happy with time home, bonding, then phased intro to school, etc. Problem is - it depends on the child's SW and what views they have: from what I've read - vary quite a lot. I'm going to aim to have as much time as we can get away with unless my child is desperate for school. I've agreed with the schools that once I'm linked (and such that it sounds like everyone is happy with the link so that no-one else is in the running) - I'll ring the schools, give her DOB and then see if they have places. I don't know how it works from there: I imagine that I can't do anything formal (like registering, etc) until after matching ratification (which might make it tight for any appeals). Not sure if that's any help; I'm sure parents who've experienced it will be along shortly x
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 2, 2014 21:43:18 GMT
You will get the school of your choose as all LAC and adopted children are top of any list they are category 1. But you need to know your LO first so you can send him to the school that will care for his/her needs best good luck xxx
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Post by leo on Feb 2, 2014 21:43:24 GMT
Mine came to me during the Easter holidays, having already been in school but in another county. The social workers were all very keen for them to start at school full time straight after the 2 week break. I wasn't keen on this as I felt we needed more time as a family first.
My LA would not let me apply for a place before the boys actually moved in with me - so that delayed things before even got to all the refusals. 'Luckily', I had terrible trouble finding a school place and they didn't actually start until September (after six months at home). The LA provided 3 hours of home tuition a week during the time off school but this was to satisfy Social Services needs rather than the boys' needs!
When they did start, they did a week of an hour a day, then a week of 2 hours a day... By January they were just having a Wednesday afternoon at home (which they still do 2 years down the line). At difficult times of year we also have extra days at home or leave school at 2:00 to allow some calming down time and family time before the routines of tea, bath and bed.
The extra time at home was invaluable and I would certainly recommend it. So many issues and wobbles came out during that time with just me that I think would maybe even never have come out otherwise as my children are so good at 'hiding' their insecurities and anxieties in public. It was only this time together that gave my boys enough calmness to begin to feel safe and make the first (minute) steps towards having a bond with me.
It was great for the boys but at times it was hell for me! Two very hyper boys with some very challenging behaviours who were used to being so busy their feet never touched the ground suddenly living with a very quiet, calm (lazy!) single mum. There was no respite whatsoever and I was completely exhausted - but it really was the best thing for all of us looking back on it.
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Post by kstar on Feb 2, 2014 22:45:28 GMT
Starlet came to me having missed half a term of school through circumstances no one could have foreseen. I was so confused by the messages I was getting - her elac worker wanted her in school full time within a fortnight because of the time missed, whereas my SW wanted her to have at least six months off. Starlet was desperate to go to school and, whatever my heart told me, I have to confess by week three I wanted her in school too, being a 24/7 single parent is incredibly draining.
In the end, my SW had a helpful moment (unusual I know) and told me to so what felt right and not be pressured by anyone. So in week three we visited school together, in week four she visited for two mornings (it was sports week so she picked sessions to go in for), the following week three mornings... By week eight she was in five days until 2pm to experience school lunches. Then came the summer hols and in sept she was back full time. However it has to be said she adores school and finds it easy to mix, that would have been a very quick intro for many children.
Don't be pushed by the child either - starlet would have gone full time from day one by choice and would have thrived... But the time together was invaluable and it was lovely being able to go to tourist places that would have been too busy for her at weekends (eg our local petting farm) and have the run of the place!
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Post by moo on Feb 3, 2014 7:06:44 GMT
I'm of the camp that home & bonding & time for funnelling is more important than school......
But of course it does depend on the child..... & how much pressure their s/w puts on you.... I was lucky I could do what I felt best for baa & skweek coz they were not of school age.... I did get pressure from my pet demon to send them to play school but luckily they didn't like it & I got to keep them home to bond some more
The pressure & opinions will come from the professionals working with you so you will have to be strong & challenge when the time comes if you think your l/o needs something different to what the prof's are pushing for.....
Good Luck......
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by littlemisscheerful on Feb 3, 2014 7:31:57 GMT
Mine were placed in June at 3 and 4.5. They were out of area, but I applied for a school place in Feb as it all felt like it was going to happen (we were the only family proceeding). ED had a school visit in July with all other new reception children, and then she started FT in Sept. With hindsight, I would've worked harder to meet other mums/kids pre Sept (she went to school knowing no-one) and I would have definitely sent her PT, if not delayed her start for as long as poss. She was a very difficult child to get to know and I read the early days all wrong.
Also, picking a school for a child that you don't know is hard - and I reckon it was 3 years before I could really say I knew her. So even if I had have waited to get a school place it wouldn't have been feasible to wait til then. I talked about Home Ed but I didn't really know how i would manage the 2 of them, but school was very, very difficult for some time. I don't think her being at home with me for longer would've necessarily have helped with her school struggles, but maybe she'd have been able to tell me what it was like (although she is ASD with some language delay so maybe it wouldn't have made any difference).
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Post by damson on Feb 3, 2014 9:19:12 GMT
Ours came aged 5 and 6.5, and were placed with us late in the summer term. They had one week off school, then they went full time to 'school', which of course wasn't really school at all at the end of the school year. They were used to school, liked it and expected to go. We had put pictures in their introductory book, and there was never any idea that they would just stay home... I foolishly thought that we might make friends with a few people they could see over the summer holidays. (!!! clearly a newcomer to planet adoption. Never assume friendships will materialise or continue. Or that you will make friends with the parents if your kids won't play with their kids. it's a ruthless world out there.) My AS went into reception rather than year one, and did small boy things for a couple of weeks in a very supportive place. The staff got to know him, and since they were part of after school club, that was important in years to come. One of them told me recently that all he did was play in the sandpit, and that he built a sort of fortress, and barricaded himself in. Poor boy. My AD went straight into regular school. The plus from this rapid start was that the summer holidays were just that - holidays, and we spent them together. it all felt ordinary when they went to school in September. The other plus was that I used to sleep while they were at school. My children were close in age, and I might just as well have been given twin toddlers to cope with. DH had gone back to work, and I was absolutely exhausted. My children never 'played nicely' together, and the level of supervision needed was very high. School kept them apart constructively Choosing a school was a straight choice between 2 local schools. One had places, one didn't. We were lucky. We got the nurturing school, and it really did help to have kind people working on ordinary life things in the school as well as us at home. My children benefitted from a programme called Socially Speaking that the school ran with a TA teaching little groups, or sometimes 1:1. It taught recognising emotions, learning to say sorry, how to have a conversation with an adult, and how to interrupt politely, amongst other things. If you are having a look at schools, see if they have something like this, as it was very helpful for my AS. Looking back, my children were so needy, anything the school could do was a massive plus.
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Post by shadow on Feb 3, 2014 9:57:23 GMT
it was never suggested that shadette didn't start right away - so she did - awful to say but I was glad - she had 2 weeks then we had the easter holidays - things were so bad at the start I was relieved to get a break when she was in school - and catch up on sleep as she was awake and kicking off until the wee (and not so wee|) small hours every single night - 4.30 was when she got to sleep the first night here - and it didn't get much better for about 2 years until she got melatonin
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Post by kanga2 on Feb 3, 2014 14:27:24 GMT
First, if adopting mid year you won't necessarily get the school of your choice, it depends on whether there are spaces, and in infants, infant class size rules apply so it is hard for them to go over 30.
We adopted our DDs when DD1 was in y3. She had 2 weeks off, including a half term, and then went full time. getting back to the routine was important for her, as school had always been very stabilising. However it meant we missed out on bonding time. In an ideal world DD2 would have been magically cared for (or slept soundly for 3 hours) every afternoon and I would have kept DD1 out for afternoons for at least a couple more weeks. But as DD2 was pre-school and nap-less it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Once you are linked go and look at schools, but you can't apply until matched. Though actually I think it is a bit pot luck as you really won't know your child well enough to know what would suit them best. Though of course a school with no empathy for adoption would likely not be suitable.
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Post by swimchic on Feb 4, 2014 19:02:27 GMT
Pink came home last August. She had just turned 4.
We had 2.5 weeks at home and then she started school. The school were very supportive and so she did the first part of term until 12. Then after the October half term she stayed for lunch and I collected her after, then we built it up until she did 3 out of 5 days full time.
When she went back after Christmas she went in full time. Five days a week and then twice a week we introduced school lunches. Its worked really well for her to build it up gradually.
Pink was very keen to start school and SS recognised that. She was asking about her new school, uniform etc, so we took photos of both and put them in her intro book.
Fortunately she is in a very small nurturing village school, which has been a great start for her. She goes in happily everyday, but we are now concerned that she isn't been stretched enough!
Good luck and please pm me if you ever want to discuss this.
Swimchic
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Post by shadow on Feb 4, 2014 20:10:02 GMT
swimchick - nurture over stretch any day - but if she needs stretch can you do work at home with her?
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Post by swimchic on Feb 4, 2014 20:31:07 GMT
swimchick - nurture over stretch any day - but if she needs stretch can you do work at home with her? Absolutely..I believe once a child is settled and secure they will blossom and in Pinks case, this is very true.
We do lots at home and I have spoken to school too. We read every night, we do phonic flashcards, do lots of arts and crafts and sport.She also has a lot of social interaction with other children that are similar/ same age to her.
I work in Early Years, so its been a lot of fun doing things with her.
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Post by pingu on Feb 4, 2014 21:37:13 GMT
I suppose it depends on the child's age, personality, school situation, etc. both our kids came to us as schoolchildren, age 6 and just 10. Ds1 arrived during Easter hols, and due to his previous school hols not coinciding he had a month off, he and we were nearly climbing the walls as he was bored and didn't know anyone. Ds2 moved in a week before Autumn term started. This was a short notice situation as his FC was going abroad and he came early to us rather than move twice. It was actually good , cause he started the new year with classmates and didn't miss any schooling. As a bright child who enjoyed school, which had been a refuge for him in difficult circumstances, it was right for him not to miss any school time. As for home and bonding, there was plenty of time for that after school, weekends, holidays,, etc. and the routine helped reassure him. Also ds2 has never had more than the occasional day off school and he is doing well academically and it helps his self esteem, an issue with which he has struggled due to his past situation. My personal belief, and it's only my opinion, is that unless there is a very good reason for it, school age kids should not be kept off, unless they really need to be. They need the routine,and the interaction with other kids, and the challenges and interesting things to do, the break from the intensity of a new home, and unless there are educational difficulties, they need their education. My ds1 had missed so much school before he came into care that he was very disadvantaged till he caught up, which made it unpleasant for him interacting with other kids in class. Once he was up with the majority it was much better. I know this isn't the case for every child, some do need time at home first, and some will have behaviour problems and need social and emotional things addressed first. As I said at the start, it depends on the child. As far as sorting out school place, we phoned as soon as we knew we were matched and they said, when he moves in just bring him in to register ( this being the local school for this area) so we just took them along on th3 first morning, as requested,having notofied tham that was our intention. We also had the option to look round and meet teacher just before Easter hols, for ds1 which we did and that was helpful as he met another new start. One of our trips out from home during the hols was to the uniform shop!
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Post by lilka on Feb 4, 2014 22:17:16 GMT
My older ones were 10 and 8 when they moved in
My 10 year old moved in near the beginning of August, and started at school with everyone else at the start of September, and I think that was about the right time off for her. We needed a bit of time together but she was ready to be back in school by the time September rolled around
My 8 year old had about 3 weeks off to settle in, but actually I think that was too long for her, and up to about 2 weeks would have been better. It was just very difficult for her to be around me all the time, and she struggled with the loss of routine of not going to school any more. Routine was always really important to her. It was too stressful and forced with us spending all day round each other for more than a couple of weeks. It was much harder than with DD1, because of DD2's different personality and issues.
Each child is different and some kids will do much better with a short time off, and some with longer time. Routine is more important for some children, extra bonding time better for others. Ido think that bonding time is incredibly important, but for some children you have to limit that bonding time off for the sake of stability and routine. We also can't underestimate how important that structure is for some kids.
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