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Post by aprilshowers on Jan 18, 2014 6:20:49 GMT
But what will be will be, and as both my daughters have said they don't want to come home, both have said that they don't want me at the review meeting, both have said that they will not consider seeing us for the time being. so there you have it, redundant set of parents and extended family...not needed/wanted/required....but my friends as you all know our children are like boomerangs.....they will at some stage in some manner come back. And is it so wrong of me to want to hear from people who really don't get it, because these people say things that for a fleeting moment make me feel "worth it", so when a person who does'nt get it says OMG how could your daughters treat you like this after all that you have done for them, how selfish and ungrateful of them....then after the fleeting glow the guilt and frustration sets in, really my children cant help this, yes certain choices are being made by them and they now have to accept responsibility for those choices but they really cant help a lot of what they do, and only time will tell if they can ever be happy.
The girls have been split up, SW who is in the good egg club, made sure distance was there, she convinced the IRO that at this time weekly contact between the girls was not a good idea, this was now backed up by littly who states she wants a break from everyone, sister, friends and most of all us.
Middly is sad, she is now alone....she don't do alone, SW says that middly is more likely to be in touch before littly, and she is surprised that middly has not done this already especially as her bail conditions say not to contact us...that's the red rag to bull thing middly has...the dreaded NO word.
SW got the review as two separate meetings, she has first hand experience of what happens when both girls turn up at meetings...imagine bun fight at the OK corral with tourrettes and accusations. Both girls presented themselves well....good eye contact, smartly turned out, only one outburst from middly..but apparently that was in context of the meeting.....I should have listened years ago and definitely put them on the stage.
It is early days, the SW knows them, them her, she has been around a while, we all hope that things will work for the girls, part of me wants it to work so that they can move on the other part of me wants them to explode so that others can see how it is for us, but again what will be will be.
Middly is now realising how difficult it is to juggle money/shopping/organising stuff, she had said something similar to me and my sis when we met, she has said that she misses the chance of earning money for chores around the home, again I take pride in that.
Littly is looking forward to all the new activities she is hoping to do with FC horses, sand sailing, boxercise, and I truly hope she can enjoy these things, she will be going back to an alternative education centre near the new FC, and again I hope that she can work towards her exams which are looming, it is a shame I may not be able to support her through this...but what will be will be.
Both girls go to court for the assault, we don't know how they will plead, we have already been contacted by the witness service checking if we will go to court and have we any hols planned in the next 6 months because it could take that long depending on their pleas. Then littly has to go the following week for the criminal damage to the school, and in a recent e-mail from SW the police want to question littly abut another criminal damage charge as she has been identified on cctv fro November....she is building up quite a record.
DS....who shall now be known as lurkio...he knows we say this it is now a family nick name...is still lurking, he still refuses to sign on, look for work, do anything to help himself, we had everything in place, housing, benefits, training scheme..... housing lasted 6 days, benefits one payment, training scheme a few weeks, SW says he is the worse case she has dealt with, the truth is she should not have been involved at all with him but did it to help us. So lurkio is still lurking, he comes he goes, sometimes he talks to us other times he just don't, it makes no difference to him what way we treat him he just does what he does.
Me and hubby are OK, we have reached that acceptance point, some things still hurt and probably will always hurt, but we are getting there, hubby is much happier going to work as he knows that he wont have to face his fear of finding me at the bottom of the stairs, or rushing home because he knows its all kicking off, sleep is getting better, we are doing things for us, together and individual, it is strange not having them around, it is sad as well, they are such big characters and so much in our lives and hearts.
thank you my friends for all your support, hugs and most of all your understanding.
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Post by moo on Jan 18, 2014 8:03:13 GMT
Hugs April & dh {{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}
Heartwrenching post... So sad for you both you have given soo much.....more hugs..... Sad that your world continues to crash.....
As you say you know they will be back.... That is just not 'it' right now tho is it.... Xx
Glad you have managed some you time xx
Many hugs xxx
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by jollymummy on Jan 18, 2014 8:17:47 GMT
Hi April - I think they will come around and they will want contact, when they realise that the grass isn't necessarily greener. My daughters started blaming me for everything but I know now that even though they are not at home, they still need me. When the proverbial hits the fan - it is me that my daughters ring first - especially AD2. (Who doesn't want to come home and whose relationship with me is wrecked, apparently. But who rang me and asked me to come when her friend died this week). So, make the most of the time you have now to recharge your batteries. When they "come back" (in whatever capacity) you know just how hectic it will get again!!
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Post by mayan on Jan 18, 2014 8:29:43 GMT
No words April - just gentle hugs on their way this morning - thinking of you and sending much love and strength.
mx
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Post by rlmjam on Jan 18, 2014 9:24:42 GMT
Huge hugs April. I'm sure things will work out. Take the time in the meantime to heal yourselves.
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Post by sooz on Jan 18, 2014 9:28:30 GMT
I should imagine the complete upheaval,the years of battling and of fighting for your children has been unbelievably wearing.
To have that big hole there now, even if that hole was filled with turmoil, must be a huge...massive..change.
Changes are scary and they take a hell of a lot of getting used to!
I'm glad you are doing things for yourselves, keep at it.
Sending hugs xxx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 9:38:17 GMT
What a heart breaking post April.
You know you and DH have done all you can. You know it is not your parenting that has caused this. You know you have done your best. It is something that they have to do. They have to seperate themselves from you and DH and your love in order to find themselves or to explore their own feelings re birth family etc. You know they have to do this, you can't stop them, you have to let them go and find out for themselves. But at least they are doing it from a safe place. At least they are doing it with "X" number of years of your love and understanding and example of normal(ish) family life which is way more than they would ever have had, had they stayed with their BF. You can do no more, but hope and pray that with a bit of time and space from each other each one will come to be in a better place and maybe, just maybe, they will eventually come to realise that Mum and Dad weren't half bad.
That's all you can hope for for the moment, but as others have said this is now your time. Your time to spend with DH to do nice things for you two. I'm sure you have both missed out on a huge amount while you have been fighting to get help for your children. It's time for you two to do something for yourselves, have those holidays that you couldn't before, go out together, take up a new hobby or two, do something just for you for a change. The girls will survive, they always do. They are far more resilient than we are because they are teenagers and they only think about the here and now and getting the latest whatever. Hopefully when they mature (and it may be a while), they will come back into the fold and you can re-build a different type of relationship with them. Sometimes space is needed all round to get a new perspective on things because when you are fire fighting and it is all happening in your face all the time it is hard to think straight or get any perspective. You are now in control, which you probably haven't felt for a while. You can now chose if and when you see them, if and when you talk to them, you can set the boundaries from a distance, you are still in charge, maybe even more so who knows, but at least you will be able to re-charge your batteries, at least you will be able to sleep and rest and get yourself stronger and calmer.
I'm writing all this and I am realising that I am writing about myself here. I am about to become childless too, probably next week as it happens, as YDD is now going into care at her own request. Do I want this NO! Do I want her to stay YES! But I have no choice, she wants to go and I have to accept it. I will probably fall apart once she is gone, but what can I do? I cannot keep a child here, who does not want to be here. Like you, all I can do is hope that she will see the grass is not always greener and that it is not like Tracey Beaker. In one way I am looking forward to the break, to be able to sleep without listening for her to creep out the front door, to be able to not have to panic and think "have I locked it?". But what I am dreading most is the silence, the quiet, I know that will be the hardest bit of all as I don't have an OH here anymore. He bailed out when the carp hit the fan and has left me to it, providing financial support but little else. SS are providing more support than he does. He will probably stop the financial support once both girls are accomodated. He will probably tell me to go and get myself a job as if I am in a fit mental place to do that. Who knows, all I know is I am already lining up counselling for myself because I know that as soon as YDD is gone, it is then it will hit me and all I have been living through, the trauma, the violence, the anger, the aggression, the blame, the hatred, it is then it will hit me bigtime. I am adopted and I know we feel loss more than your average person, I am fully aware of this, which is why I know I will need help to get through this. This and talking to you lot on here is what keeps me sane. This is what the other place tried to stop, us supporting each other and telling the truth - How does that help anyone, least of all the children.
Sorry I've hi-jacked yet another thread, I seem to be doing that all the time lately, but if I don't get it out, who knows what I'll do.
Thinking of you April, there is little more I can say except "I do get it" and I so wish I didn't.
Massive hugs to you and DH - You know where I am if you need me. xxxxx
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Post by serrakunda on Jan 18, 2014 10:11:48 GMT
(((((((April))))))
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Post by kizim on Jan 18, 2014 11:50:07 GMT
Ä° don't know what to say except my heart goes out to all of you suffering in this way...you and all those hurt children unable to take the help and love offered to them. Ä°t is making me reassess the issues Ä° have with my older daughter WHO has given me much grief but thankfully is able to make some good choices for herself and -for now- has decided she wants to be part of her family. Ä° will be grateful to her for acknowledging that she has emotional problems and tries in her own way to set boundaries - instead of resenting her for the trouble that is never far away.
You are amazing people coping with extraordinary situations...we all are to varying degrees. Ä° am glad the other site developed its blue bubbles because Ä° never really understood how it's gagging order was silencing your voices.
Jofran
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 12:19:12 GMT
Yes kizim and this is the stuff we are prepared to post on the open boards to share and educate all. The more confidential stuff is on the ASB. The stuff we want to protect newcomers from. This is why I would welcome SW's on the open boards, they need to read the reality of what adopters are living with and learn from it and provide proper support without putting us and our children through hell first for months on end before finally admitting that they don't have a clue what to do.
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Post by ham on Jan 18, 2014 18:58:33 GMT
Hugs it might not want you want but sadly they have made their choices and all you can do is be there picking up the pieces as you always do. seems like the sw has her head screwed on. enjoy this time for you.
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Post by lemonade on Jan 18, 2014 20:09:09 GMT
Ditto to all the above. Looking at their ages it's sadly typical and a rough patch for our adoptive children, we have no choice but to parent from a distance as hard as it is I know for DH and I we had to learn to adapt and cope as best we could, but it is a very painful time. Sending hugs your way. Love L xxx
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Post by vickyvixen on Jan 18, 2014 20:26:24 GMT
Thinking of both April & jmk & sending virtual hugs
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Post by leo on Jan 18, 2014 21:59:24 GMT
What an amazing spirit you have and what huge capacity to love and understand 'no matter what'. They cannot have failed to have been changed for the better by your parenting and it dosesn't bear thinking how desperate their lives would be now if you hadn't been there for them.
I know that is probably of no comfort to you now but hopefully they will be able to see it in the future. Take care of yourself.
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Post by daffin on Jan 18, 2014 22:52:21 GMT
Aprilshowers so sorry to read of your experiences. I don't feel I have the words to provide meaningful support, but I hope you have the support you need from friends and family and from here to keep strong and to begin to heal. I hope you and DH can do some fun stuff to put a bit of a spring into your stride.
JMK - sounds like you are (and have been) going through hell, too. So sorry. Good idea to line up support. I hope you can do some great things for you, too.
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Post by gilreth on Jan 19, 2014 0:07:12 GMT
Senidng huge hugs to you (((April))) and (((jmk))). we are at the other end of adoption and hoping that Sqk continues as he has started to be. However having these boards and knowing there are people here who have experienced it all helps me. As our SW put it the other day - we are a couple who like to have plans for the worst but hopes for the best.
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Post by fruitcake on Jan 19, 2014 4:03:56 GMT
I'm so very sorry to hear your news, Aprilshowers. I have followed your posts for many years and would be hard put to think of anyone more dedicated to their adopted children than you are. You have absolutely poured yourself out for them.
I have been parenting my son from a distance for seven years now and while it is easier in some ways than it was earlier on, it is never less than difficult as I miss him so much. And while rationally I know no-one could have done more for him, I still feel guilty.
But, as others have said, he still needs us and his relationship with us is an important one. Also I see in many ways how much we have helped him. You will see this too, though probably not straight away.
Take care of yourselves and always remember what wonderful parents you are and have been.
(((jmk))) also.
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Post by damson on Jan 19, 2014 19:14:54 GMT
Dear April and JMK I do believe that in the long run, nothing good is ever wasted. Keep holding your heads up, whatever non Planet Adoption thinks. Your love, energy and commitment will bear fruit at some point in the future.
Now commit to yourselves with equal vigour. xxx Damson
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Post by larsti on Jan 19, 2014 19:27:54 GMT
lost my post to you Aprilshowers
I send hugs to you and DH and one for you too jmk.
I couldn't put it any better than some of your other replies, so I won't try but I am thinking of you, and I am glad you are having some time together....you deserve it!
Love Larsti xx
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Post by enid on Jan 20, 2014 18:23:03 GMT
well. phew. bet in your wildest dreams you never thought it would have ended this way. sending loads, shed loads, of support and understanding. keep strong. x
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Post by sivier on Jan 20, 2014 19:36:00 GMT
Just caught up with this - love and support (((April)))
jmk too
Very hard stuff to with x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 20:23:23 GMT
It's heartbreaking and so very very wrong that so many of our children (younger and older) seem destined to live apart from the very ones that care the most. It has taken me a very long time to come to terms with and accept things just aren't going to be as I had hoped. I am sure you will have a relationship with your children April, when they realise they do need you in their lives. It sounds trite but do take this time for yourself, I really believe you need to do this for you and DH.
Hugs
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