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Post by cowgirl on Dec 12, 2013 17:03:47 GMT
Hi - massive title but I couldn't think of what else to write.
My son has a younger sibling who is also adopted
the younger child's parents are great people. We have met a few times and discussed BM once. I don't "bash" her or her choices but against them I appeared a little over the top and bit anti.
I don't have much room in my heart for BM. I've even went off supporting homeless charities because of her life style !
Both children will suffer from FAS as BM confirmed drinking in pregnancy. Both are young and so far neither family are experiencing significant issues.
Anyway my my reason for posting & under the discussions bit was to say .. Is it just me ?
Of course I wouldn't have the joy of my glorious & gorgeous son without BM ! The irony.
I suppose none of the above is particularly relevant really I'm asking am I the only person who just can't forgive the BM ?
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Post by leo on Dec 12, 2013 20:46:09 GMT
Of course not! I expect we all feel like that to varying degrees at various times.
I feel particularly unforgiving around the time of letterbox and also at trigger times for my children.
I woudn't change my children for the world - but I'd change what they have been through in a heartbeat.
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Post by peartree on Dec 13, 2013 8:37:31 GMT
Started out with very angry feelings re the BPs
Sometimes still do feel angry
But now my ac are in mid/ late teens I see much of the difficulties they have reflected in the conduct of their birth parents
Now I understand much more Imaginining blossom with a baby makes me understand the complete lack of capacity to keep well Safe Think about the baby Plan ahead etc All big tall orders for messed up terrified teenager
The awful bit for me is social care who consistently ducked their responsibility to the family and my children in particular I so wish none of it had happened to my 2 I get that often x
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Post by homebird on Dec 13, 2013 8:55:53 GMT
We spent many years not forgiving birth mum. She had 6 wonderful children who had to be separated and we'll never forget the trauma of the early days of social services interventions which we were involved in because we are related. For us, as time went on and we settled down as a family, those feelings become less about anger against the birth parents and more about sadness for the children who could not grow up together.
Birth mum drank heavily through all of her pregnancies and didn't eat properly but none of the children suffer with FAS.
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Post by moo on Dec 13, 2013 13:18:40 GMT
No you are so not alone.... I really struggle with my feelings toward BM & family but as pear tree says I try very hard to see the bigger picture re Why??
Isn't helped by letterbox claiming they have rights too!??
I seriously only do lb to prove to baa & skweek in many years to come that I really tried....
Our poor challenged & damaged little ones....
But as all have said if it weren't for X we really would not be lucky enough to have them....
Hang in... It eases a bit!
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by serrakunda on Dec 13, 2013 19:16:57 GMT
personally I do have sympathy for Simba's birth family. His birth mum was dreadfully abused and witnessed something horrific, her mum died when she was 8, then passed round relatives and in and out of care, she never really stood a chance of looking after herself, let alone looking after a baby, Neither of them set out to deliberately harm Simba, they were just both very inadequate. Simba was known to social services before birth, they should have stepped in earlier than they did. Dad has turned his life around, she hasnt been able to, I cant see a happy ending for her
I do however understand why lots of adoptive parents don't feel like this, so much depends on the history of the individual child
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Post by lilka on Dec 13, 2013 22:32:22 GMT
I won't ever forgive DD1's birth parents. But then, she never will either. Nor will she forget what they did to her, she has very strong memories of serious physical and sexual abuse. With my DD2 and DS bmum, things are much more complex. Not that my DD2 suffered less abuse, she suffered just as much, and yet her bmum is a very different person to DD1's birth parents, with a very different background, life experiences, issues, personality, actions. Also DD2 herself loves her mum and forgives her everything, and how DD2 feels influences how I feel I feel many different feelings towards DD2 and DS bmum - sadness, worry, anger and sometimes very strong anger, compassion, sympathy, irritation, dislike, gratitude at some of her actions. It changes based on what's going on, it's complicated. Just complicated My DD2 is very like her mum in many ways though, and to be honest if my DD got pregnant now she wouldn't be able to keep her baby either And if my DD theoretically had a baby which was adopted, it would break my heart if the adoptive parents thought badly of DD and didn't have compassion for her and what she's been through that's led to her being the person she is today However I think we all have a right to our own feelings, and to express them privately on here and anywhere else appropriate. It's fine to feel angry, it's also fine to feel sympathetic or anything else. I'm sure we can all respect that we all feel very differently and we have good reasons for feeling the way we do! The important thing is that we don't let our own feelings take over and end up causing us harm, or affect our better judgement
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 9:45:48 GMT
I think Serrakunda says it so well, it completely depends on the individual child's circumstances.
I have absolutely no animosity towards my DD's BM. She has mental health problems and cannot help that. She didn't drink, or do drugs, or harm, or abuse DD's in any shape or form. She loved them dearly, but simply could not look after them, and this is why I can think kindly of her.
If my DD's were with me as a result of abuse or neglect or in-utero damage then that would be a very different matter. I don't think I could bring myself to forgive a mother who deliberately put her baby at risk and I don't think I would regard her in the same light at all.
What is important though, is to not let this animosity, or dare I say it hatred seep out so that your child is aware of this, as this will effect how your child sees them self. If your child picks up from you that his/her BP's were bad people, then by default he/she will feel he/she is inherently a bad person.
I think as adults we do have to be careful how we talk about the BP's and we have to try and remain dispassionate about how they lived their lives, the choices they made etc, otherwise we are at risk of letting our views effect how our children view themselves and their worth. So reigning in our own valid feelings of anger and resentment against the people who have damaged our children and caused a lot of their problems is really important, and I would advise anyone who is struggling with this to get some counselling to try and work this through with a trained professional.
At the end of the day, none of this is your childs fault. They are the innocent victims of bad parenting choices and they are the ones who don't deserve any blame for feckless irresponsible birth parent choices, and when they are displaying difficult or agressive behaviours, we must remember this, it's not their fault and not take it personally.
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Post by gilreth on Dec 15, 2013 23:14:56 GMT
It's a difficult one for us although Sqk was removed at birth so none of what happened directly happened to him (thankfully no evidence of alcohol or drugs during pregnancy). To be honest I feel BPs should possibly never have had more than their first child if that (Sqk is third). BM is another one who was in care herself and suffered horrendously as a child. Don't know much about BF's childhood but he tends to be controlling. I am sympathetic to BM because if what we know but less so to BF who seems to basically not interacted with his children at all. Our fun as we come to it us going to be explaining to Sqk what his sibs went through which is the reason he was removed. BM clearly loves her children but could not keep them safe.
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Post by moo on Dec 16, 2013 6:29:10 GMT
I often find that most BM does really love their children...
It is just with such sadness that I see how deluded they really are.... It is so very sad to sit back & watch or understand.... Often in very dire cases it has meant that they have just done nothing to rescue & save our neglected & abused little ones... The danger & abuse just doesn't register with them & they just allow all the worst atrocities to happen & keep happening..... It is soooo hard not to condemn....
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by jollymummy on Dec 20, 2013 23:16:24 GMT
I feel terribly sad for my children's BPs. BM came from a very dysfunctional family, was probably sexually abused and her childhood led to problems with drugs and alcohol (had to be revived following heroin OD once B4 my kids were born - makes you realise how different it could all have been). Not much known about BD but he had depression, suicide attempts, drug and alcohol abuse etc etc. Both BPs really loved their children, just could not put them first. Would also echo what others have said about how I would not have my children if things had been different for their BPs, but wish my girls did not have such a difficult start (son removed at 6 weeks). However, do not sympathise enough that I would want my 3 to have any contact with BF. But realistic enough to recognise that they probably will want to. Hopeful they will let me support them and go through it with them.
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Post by swimchic on Jan 5, 2014 9:36:53 GMT
Its such a mixed bag isn't it?
I feel sorry for BM to a certain point. However when Pink says "that Mummy x heroin was more important than me" I feel angry. Angry that my beautiful, bright, funny daughter has witnessed things that NOBODY should witness and the amount of support and money that has been given to her whilst we are just about making ends meet.
I feel so sorry for Pinks siblings who have been split up into separate foster homes and have more issues that CAMHS will ever be able to sort. They didn't ask to be brought into this situation.
I'M grateful that SS placed her with wonderful foster carers that cared about her and gave her the stability and love that she deserved.
And everyday ( even when she is being a diva!) I feel blessed that we are a forever family and that she is home with us. We couldn't love her anymore than we do..
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Post by daffin on Jan 6, 2014 9:33:28 GMT
I used to feel really sorry for BM. She had an awful childhood, has a number of mental health problems and has an unerring ability to link up with violent men. But I've felt less sorry and more angry as DS's anxiety and trauma emerged more clearly from settling in stuff. And then I found the cigarette burn scar on his ribcage. Faded and so not spotted until he lost weight with flu. Then I was just angry. He has another clear (burn) scar which I had made up lots of scenarios to explain (falling over a bar heater, etc), but there are only so many ways a cigarette burn can appear. And then she won't sign the letterbox agreement. And although she has SWs crawling all over her because of the baby, she has never once asked how DS is. So, my sympathy has faded. I just want to keep her away from DS now. And the sooner contact stops for the baby the happier I'll be. How I'll find positive things to say about her to the kids later on, I don't know. I'll have to, though!
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Post by donatella on Jan 6, 2014 9:51:46 GMT
Afraid I feel very little for my children's birth families. My half sibs are 2 of 8 not counting the terminations, my middly is one of 6. Both families have a veeeeeeery long history of SS involvement and have had thousands and thousands spent on them. Money that, frankly, could have been better spent supporting their children post removal.
They didn't have one or two chances to put someone else's needs first; they had countless opportunities. Yes they have poor backgrounds, yes there was substance abuse but we all have to make choices. And making bad ones over and over means screwing up your children. Not just your own life.
My children are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their poor choices.
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Post by damson on Jan 6, 2014 23:02:54 GMT
Life for birth families is grim stuff. Ours is an open adoption, and there are worthwhile, important relationships still there. They are very important for our children as they grow up.
Mostly it's a very sad story, but there is some nasty stuff too. We talk about both rough and smooth. Sometimes there is precious little nice stuff to say. Their life story books didn't pull many punches and neither did the later life letters.
Life isn't working out kindly for some relatives, and it is very hard to stand back. Our children want to help. I forsee trouble ahead. The morass of birth family life could so easily sap our children, but how to counter what are worthwile instincts?
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