mommabear
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Post by mommabear on Dec 2, 2013 16:58:43 GMT
Hi, Just wondering if anyone had any views, opinions or experience of fostering to adopt as an approved adopter? I have been approved for 3 months but no match so far. My LA have only just started concurrent planning and my SW is coming around tomorrow to discuss it as a possibility for me. I have a pritty good idea of the process (I think), but always imagined becoming ''mummy' instantly when I meet my son/daughter and don't know how I will find this process. I would love to hear from anyone with any experience of this. Thanks, MommaBear x
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Post by moo on Dec 2, 2013 18:32:01 GMT
Hi Mommabear.... Sorry no experience of this.... I know it is quite a 'new' idea & don't think my l.a. Do it yet.....
I hope there is someone who has done things this way who will be along soon to offer you some advice......
Didn't want to read & run.... Good Luck....
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by loadsofbubs on Dec 2, 2013 18:54:52 GMT
my LA don't do this yet but are seriously considering it. not sure what I think really (apart from it doing me out of job!!). my guess is that you would still have to be carefully matched so would still be taking on a child who is already in foster care or from a very thorough (rare in my experience!) pre birth assessment. some children are better suited (in my opinion) than others. for example little man was youngest of several other sibs all taken into care and no chance of return and would have been ideal for this, very little contact with birth parents so very little disruption to him etc. on the other hand squishy munchkin, as a first baby and much fought over (legally) and poorly handled baby would be much harder to take on as a concurrent carer becoz of the emotional turmoil to you when you see the problems occurring in the child from the legal decisions and the poor handling by parents, with no end in sight for the frequent parental contact, and nothing you can do to prevent it. so each case would have to be assessed very carefully before this kind of placement becoz you are not going into this to foster but to adopt and so to take on a baby with anything other than a very good chance of adoption is unfair to you as the potential parents. great for the babies where it works, but awful for you as parents when it doesn't. and sadly, again in my experience, it is rare for sw's to take the kind of care when placing babies in fostering placements than they do in adoptive ones and my concern would be that they may just think 'any baby will do' and not think through as thoroughly the consequences for you, as the parents, for taking on this specific child. anyway, just my two pennyworth. I am not yet convinced that it is a policy that has been thoroughly thought through, certainly in my LA. it probably can work, but for me it has too high a chance of 'failure' for the prospective parents and think it is not a solution for a good number of adopters.
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Post by mommabear on Dec 2, 2013 19:45:42 GMT
Thanks for your responses. I have looked up what info BAAF have on the subject and there is certainly a lot more then there was when I originally heard of the process some 11 months ago. I understand there is a degree of risk and this does worry me. I have also fostered and the plans for small babies have been somewhat lacking to say the least. Also contacts (in my opinion) have been just cruel on the poor babies despite limited possibilities of returning home. Apparently there are already some placements running within our LA so it will be interesting to hear how they are going.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 8:56:27 GMT
It's Daffin and it's for her DS's sibling, so I don't know if that makes it a bit different?
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Post by imprudence on Dec 3, 2013 10:19:21 GMT
We looked into this about 8 years ago.
We could totally get that it was about transferring the risk of disruption and moves to the adults from the child and that it is absolutely morally the right thing to do. At the time we thought we could do it: now I know myself better I'm not sure we were right.
Unfortunately, our LA couldn't get over the idea that concurrent adopters were "jumping the queue" to adopt over other adopters. (This is a queue that in all other correspondence they denied existing.) Maybe things are better now: I think there was quite an organisational problem in that foster-ers were one department and adopters were another separate department.
But I see that OP already has one AC. So did we, and one thing that really worried us was how we would explain to AC1 if no2 had to go back to birth family. He's anxious enough as it is.
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Post by daffin on Dec 9, 2013 23:09:32 GMT
Hi all. I've just spotted this thread. I'll give some info from my experience. There is a difference between Concurrency and The Foster to Adopt Scheme. Concurrency is where the SS plan (at least nominally) is for the child to return to birth family after whatever external support has been provided to make that possible - and with the realisation that the birth family are unlikely to turn things around, so the child is likely to remain in the Concurrent placement (but the adoptive parents must be willing to support the process, including direct contact, and possibly return to BF). With Fostering to Adopt the LAs plan for the child is adoption. Where the child is a new born baby, this means that a thorough pre-birth assessment has been done. It is likely that the BM has had more than one other child removed into long-term care or placed for adoption, and that even where the placement is contested the BF have little hope of winning the case.
Our DS has been with us for just over 2 years. We originally hoped to adopt him and his older sister but SS decided that she was too traumatised to place for adoption. we started talking to SS about being re-assessed to adopt again, when they discovered that birth mum was pregnant again (number 10) and fast tracked our application and homestudy. A complicating factor has been that a member of the BF stepped forward to be assessed for adoption, and it initially looked like they had a good chance of success. So we were doing it (1) to give the baby the best possible start, (2) to enable us to tell DS later that we really tried to keep him with one of his sibs, and (3) to have the chance of having a young child that hadn't experienced the trauma of repeated losses.
I had long ago given up any idea of having a baby and it really wasn't something that I was aware I wanted (and our DSs older sister would have been 4.5 at placement and we very much wanted her) but I have to say that looking after a tiny baby has been amazing. She's so delicious. The smell if her, the feel of her in my arms, the delight as she starts to smile and coo. All of that is amazing and we have had to do it with the possibility that we will have to hand her back. That is gradually becoming more remote, but was a real risk. So, you have to be strong. And willing to support Direct Contact with birth family. And be crawled over by social services (for longer than usual in an adoptive placement). It's not for the faint hearted, but I really think that if you think you are strong enough to cope if the placement is terminated, then it is an amazing thing to be able to do for the child - an uninterrupted placement protects them from starting their lives with loss and disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 8:54:47 GMT
Daffin, Thank you so much for that clarification. It is good to be clear since it is all such a new idea to everyone. Seems that you are more likely to get to keep the baby if BM has a history of children going into care? Don't know if I'd risk it if it was her first or second child though, but no. 10 well, think your LO is safe with you then which is fab. What a great start for her.
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Post by flowerpower on Dec 10, 2013 15:16:03 GMT
I do know someone who is doing concurrent adoption LO went to her from labour ward that was 18 months ago and still no proper placement order she was told it would take about 3 months she has to take LO to contact, medical, and many other meeting and feels like her life is not her own and she could not have AL from work but it sounds good in theory. hopefully it will all be ok in the end.
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Post by daffin on Dec 10, 2013 22:06:08 GMT
Yes. Neither of us can get adoption leave. I'm freelance, so I wouldn't be entitled to it anyway, but DH took 6 months adoption leave last time (effectively taking 'my' adoption leave - his company has a very good adoption policy - the last exec director had adopted 2 older girls and so was very sympathetic to all things adoption). Since the baby's arrival he's gone down to 4 days a week and is working at home two days a week, to allow us to give DS some one to one time. So, our finances are pretty low - and the fostering payments don't compensate for our loss of earnings. The government has legislation tabled that will bring in full adoption leave rights for Foster to adopt carers from 2015. Just as well, otherwise in most couples one person would need to resign as few companies would agree 12 months leave of absence and SS wouldn't accept anything less.
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Post by mommabear on Dec 10, 2013 22:22:03 GMT
Wow, thank you so much for sharing your story!! I have since met with my SW who has explained the difference to me. Sounds like it can really be an amazing thing if it works!! All the best and I really hope things work out with your little one. X
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