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Post by runmum on Feb 2, 2017 18:25:13 GMT
Jealous Dog who is usually our less problematic child has just received a 5 day exclusion and possible expulsion. Some guy on the bus showed him a "cool pen with a hidden blade" - if you look on You Tube there are numerous videos showing you how to make them mostly with pretty young kids some probably equally naive. So Jealous Dog thinks wow I like that - makes one and takes it in to show his friends. Friends tell him you could get into trouble but tell also tell other friends one of whom has a grudge and tells the Deputy Head. He then has to issue the standard penalty for having an improvised weapon in school. It's a good school but I don't think they get JD's vulnerability as he presents as happy and fun but just a bit behind. We have spoken to him and we totally believe there was no malice - he thought it was cool. He just cannot spot a stupid idea or a stupid person. Does anyone have any articles resources etc that might help us explain this to school when we go in to make our case for why they should let him stay. There is loads about adopted kids being aggressive or terrified but can't find anything about being a bit socially inept and naive. Any help gratefully received. We can tell they want to give him a chance.
Also we are worried that JD will just get that an improvised weapon is not good but then make another bad decision and then another about unrelated things. We would also like to know if there is anything that would help him gain a bit more insight. We have suggested - if you think something is cool ask 3 friends you trust (he has chosen great really sensible friends - so that's one good thing.) The parents of his friends have been really kind too - they can't believe it as he's about as dangerous as a fluffy onesie.
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Post by daffin on Feb 2, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
Oh poor you and poor JD.
Nothing to suggest, but I recognise the easily led social ineptness.....
Hopefully someone else will have some Goode recommendations soon.
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Post by mudlark on Feb 2, 2017 22:16:50 GMT
School need to try and think about Jealous Dogs developmental age as opposed to his chronological age. Many adopted children due to trauma are lagging behind developmentally, even if cognitively they appear on a par with the peers. He responded to something he thought was cool/wanted without being able to think about the consequences just as a much younger child might. I am always trying to remind Lapwing and Peewits school that they are developmentally about 3 and 4 - its a very hard thing for school to grasp especially if the child can appear articulate. Sorry no useful article, if I come across one will send a link.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 20, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
I have only just picked up on this thread. We had a very similar thing with AD taking a can of lager into school - never opened, then on another day a swiss army knife that she had found. Perfect opportunity for school to get rid of her. We pre-emptied it by removing her. Just knew the school wouldn't get it. They NEVER considered developmental ago vs. chronological age.
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Post by runmum on Jul 20, 2017 19:09:09 GMT
Intersting to know nzhb We went in to school and explained in more depth about developmental delay and discovered they had all ready contacted the attachment research community and were "on it." They have been very good since. Jealous Dog gets mentoring with the Chaplain every week - he is very switched on and doing a better job than any therapist ever has in helping JD. Finger crossed. We do take every opportunity to say "oh look at that how daft you could get expelled for that" at every opportunity.
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Post by nzhb on Jul 20, 2017 20:28:52 GMT
Ah yes ! The 'attachment' community. This particular school SAID they knew everything about attachment & the staff were well versed on it. I wonder then, why did the SENCO & my daughters TA tell me on 2 separate occasions that if they could take my daughter home for a week, they would have her sorted and that I was 'too kind' to her.......
You sound like you have an altogether more understanding school.
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Post by janpan on Mar 28, 2018 20:28:41 GMT
My daughter was excluded from school for this too - she she was 12 she took in a penknife to cut an apple, like her grannie did when she was out on a walk. I will never really know if she behaved inappropriately with it but it was reported and she was excluded and she tells us she did nothing threatening. The school never understood despite previous issues, despite CAMHS being involved, despite her Family Therapist being involved etc etc. After that (and, admittedly, some other strange behaviours) she was certainly considered a 'bad girl'. I think I talked about it on here at that time. Eventually I moved her to the school that I teach in. But now, everybody round here knows her as 'that girl who took a knife into school'. It followed her at every sporting event between the schools etc etc and has been a real nightmare for her. Now she has gone to college and has had to face it again with young people from that school being on her college course. So its very, very important that the school handle it well, with sensitivity and privacy. Ours so totally didn't. The other parents round us didn't handle it well either. All her 'friends' except one dropped her like a hot potato. Weren't allowed to play with her, they said.  There are very few schools who actually 'get it'. They all say they do. They all dance the dance. Now, especially with funding cuts, performance pressures, no CAMHS etc, in my opinion they especially don't get it unless it is an inner city school who are dealing with this all the time and have NO OPTION but to face issues like this and learn how to make it better. We are very rural. We are pretty isolated. It completely fed into the narrative that we are 'that weirdo family'. Which, of course, we are.  But we have become very, very knowledgable about all the stuff our children have had to face because that is what we all have to do.
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Post by nzhb on Mar 28, 2018 20:52:27 GMT
Janpan - I echo your post. Our AD took a swiss penknife to school -dont know what for, wasn't used, but another pupil saw it in AD's bag and told teacher. We had always thought the school regretted taking her on. This was the perfect moment for them to ring & say she has brought an'offensive weapon' into school. I still haven't seen said 'weapon'. We were then told she was excluded. Didn't know if police would be involved. Had to wait all over Easter holidays to find out what was happening. However, we met with senior team & told them WE were removing our AD. They breathed a sigh of relief and then proceeded to ask if they could help find a new school, even though they told us they had a file with 'all her misdemeanours' recorded.
What carp - they didn't even understand it was educations job to find new school - she had EHCP plan & lots of external services, but school didn't want to know.
I now hear they actually DONT have a good reputation for children with additional needs!
They had told my AD off for DSH under the desk at school as it upset the other children.......never mind my child was clearly overwhelmed.
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Post by runmum on Apr 6, 2018 11:17:37 GMT
Goodness it seems this is not an unusual thing. It's so difficult even talking to our kids about these issues as it does not make sense - you must have scissors in your pencil case but you must not take something else in with a "blade" the length of your finger nail or you will be excluded.I think it would be better is schools just said nothing sharp in your possession ever we will provide compasses and scissors etc. Fortunately JD has stayed out of trouble over the last year but we always feel we are walking a tight rope. They will clamp down even more now especially in London and the Home Counties following the recent increase in knife crime. We plod on!
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