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Post by pirate on Sept 26, 2013 21:25:18 GMT
The reason why I ask is some parents on the prep course say that their social workers adv that they have to join adoption uk.
im confused! Is it that it goes in our favour if you like as a resource tool putting the par info together.
ok, I'm cream cracker end from the course and need your input!
pirate xxx
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Post by serrakunda on Sept 26, 2013 21:46:11 GMT
You dont have to join AUK to use its resources, you can still use the message boards, you can go on their training courses, so you are still using it as a resource you wouldnt get access to Children Who Wait or receive their magazine. I can't see that they can make you join I of course would never encourage you to to fib to your SW, but if you said you had joined, but hadnt, how would they know
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 21:47:49 GMT
Some LA's even pay for one years membership. Perhaps you could ask your to pay it for you.
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Post by annie70 on Sept 26, 2013 22:19:16 GMT
I like your thinking jmk and serrakunda...
we joined during prep course as they said it would be a good idea - but they would never know if you did or not... we are yet to be placed and have not needed the advice line (yet!) and the things we have looked at the most are the magasines and the message board - but you can access the boards without paying and to be honest I think that's all you need at the start... Ax
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Post by moo on Sept 27, 2013 6:24:25 GMT
My la were quite scared of auk & the boards... Don't really know why... Not sure why la say join... Maybe it's the support angle... in my area there are no local auk meet up or buddies so not sure what the reasoning is tbh... once baa & skweek were placed my la paid for a years membership... Meant I could ring helpline use legal pack if I needed it.... Support is probably the best angle & frankly that is what we are all about anyway.... I'm with the others 'how will they know if you have joined or not'?..... Hth..
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by knight on Sept 27, 2013 21:42:44 GMT
Hi Pirate It might be because it's on the guidance for the SWs on completion of the PAR - there is some sort of signposting to AUK:- "LIFE STYLE - Schedule 4, Part 3(13) Prospective adopters can report on local facilities and services from the community resources that may be available to them. These would include day-care and schools, primary health care, transport, shops, activity groups for children, sports and leisure activities, and places of worship. Assessing social workers should explore the prospective adopter’s knowledge of their community resources and where needed provide them with advice and information on the more specialist support services that a child placed for adoption may need. They may have made contact with other adopters or organisations e.g. Adoption UK to identify and understand what resources are needed and available and this can demonstrate their active commitment to and preparation undertaken for adoption." Whenever I've mentioned AUK, I haven't really got a reaction and I've not heard of others being advised/told they have to join - but that might come later when dealing with the PAR. As others have said, I too have heard that they might pay for a one year subscription.....which you might as well take advantage of as you would then receive the magazine and have access to Children Who Wait. So, it's about the wider picture. As far as the last sentence of the quote is concerned, you can demonstrate that in several ways: keeping in touch with others from Prep; any adoption meet-ups/coffee mornings; any other adoptive families you are close enough to, etc. (Using the AUK boards currently might not be as helpful as there seem to be a few newbies so the experience/guidance gained from the old boards and which flows here may not be available to the same extent in the blue bubbles. However, you might just want to say it's another adoption forum (lest they come-a-looking!!) Hope this helps Knight
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Post by pirate on Sept 28, 2013 19:51:44 GMT
Thank you all, Really interesting answers.
Today was the lady day of prep course and I brought up does the la pay for auk - only when you have been through panel and successful.
I need to investigate my resources of local support groups in the area.
How things were left today at prep course, la will email people that have popped their email addresses on sheet and we can stay in touch. Coffee morning be good, catch up.
One couple seemed secretive when asked about their knowledge and resources, they did an online link up with a tutor the other day but would t discuss any info for us to learn....the hubby just came out with random quotes from baaf - really odd, but we are all different!
I'm going to hold off joining auk just for now - on auk is two fees.....with or without magazine so does that mean magazine membership better? Need to read up more. Thank you a rain lovely people xx Pirate
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Post by larsti on Sept 28, 2013 22:05:02 GMT
You pay more if you get Children Who Wait, which we didn't bother with. I would recommend joining, despite AUK's faults.
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Post by ham on Sept 29, 2013 19:20:05 GMT
In the early days they were an invaluable resource for my family. I found lots of useful info in the magazine and attended course advertised in there . i also made use of our local support group and have gone to some of their conferences and fun days they have organised where have made some very good friends and support network. they were also very good when I needed some legal advice.if you are on a low income they do offer reduced prices. YOu can chose whether you have both parts of the journal or not. Give it a go for a year. some agencies don't like AUK because of the 'scare' stories but they are what some people have to endure on planet adoption and people should know it is not always 'happy ever after'. I also thing some SW don't like it because it empowers adopters with knowledge and ideas of how to help their children.
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Post by thespouses on Oct 1, 2013 15:53:56 GMT
We joined, but as we ended up adopting from overseas and there are no support groups in our area and they wouldn't consider setting one up, it was a tad useless. I did read the magazine and was very put off by someone recommending homeopathy or cranial osteopathy or something else away with the fairies. I know that a lot of the therapies available for children who've suffered trauma haven't been properly proven but that's due to lack of research. This was something on which there's loads of research showing it doesn't work and I felt that was really doing adopters a disservice.
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Post by vickyvixen on Oct 1, 2013 19:31:44 GMT
I joined before prep because I thought it would help to demonstrate my commitment to adoption to the SWs. I went for the option without Children Who Wait as I thought it was too early to start seeing that; my LA pays for 2 years' membership once I've been approved. I have found the magazines interesting and I've been invited to a family day and other events as a result which I've found worthwhile. I've also borrowed a load of their books/DVDs so think I've had my money's worth! It's helped me meet other people in my area who have adopted/are in the process.
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Post by ceci on Oct 2, 2013 9:55:15 GMT
In our area Adoption UK have been an invaluable source of support and training for adoptive parents (and operate almost as an independent group). The advantage of being a member is that the conferences can be cheaper than if you're not a member and they're great. The magazine is also really good. Depends what you'll get out of it in your area.
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Post by gilreth on Oct 2, 2013 10:32:34 GMT
We joined after attending a few of the local support group meetings (which are open to non members as well) - and also seeing some of the material as my sister & brother-in-law are members. Of course not 3 weeks after we joined our LA decided to pay for 1 years membership for all prospective adopters but such is life. I have found their library a good resource and am just glad to have them there as a source of information and support.
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Post by smileycat on Oct 2, 2013 20:56:50 GMT
I have to say I've found the articles in the auk magazine really really helpful.
Once through panel you may get a letter from you LA with a form stamped by them offering to pay for AUK membership for you. If says if you've existing membership please use this form to re-new when it expires.
So, yes panel like hearing you've membership, but I do think for myself I've found it helpful. Esp in the early days after my DD was placed.
Good luck.
SC x
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 5:14:01 GMT
I was a member in the early days before we adopted and for a few years afterwards and I found their magazines and articles to be really informative as this was before the boards had taken off.
I used to attend meetings and saw many speakers and attended interesting talks. I went on many Sunday walks, before and after, my DD's came home and found it invaluable being able to meet other adopters and to talk through things with them. I also helped set up our local Auk toddler group which we attended when mine were little and it was wonderful meeting with other adopters once a month for a chat and a coffee whilst our LO's played together. I made many friends through this and am still very friendly with some of them to this day, which I think is really good as my DD's know other friends who are adopted too and I think this is very important.
So in summary I would say, that joining Auk before you adopt is a very good idea if you have an active group in your area. It is a great way of educating yourself about all things adoption related and a great way of making friends with other adopters, but would also say, that once your children are home it is up to yourself to be pro-active and make your own connections and arrangements as I think once the AO has gone through the post adoption support is not all that great.
Finding boards like this is the best for support IMO, because we are living the life and we do it everyday, for better or worse, and as I have said many times before, this is where I feel Auk have let us down badly, they don' want to listen which is why I stopped being a member quite a few years ago.
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Post by shadow on Oct 3, 2013 8:15:17 GMT
in the first few years of placement I found being a member really useful -the meet ups, conferences etc - and while waiting for a child I looked at Children Who Wait and also Be my Parent (the BAAF magazine)
I did find shadette indirectly though one of the magazines
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Post by littlemisscheerful on Oct 9, 2013 7:21:54 GMT
Our support group usually has more prospective adopters as attendees. It is where I met my bunch of friends years ago, and was very helpful at the time.
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Post by peartree on Oct 27, 2013 16:54:23 GMT
I've been part of their message boards there until they very much ruined them
The thing I use most from them Mainly the thing I'm a member for is the magazine
I think it's very very good
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Post by taliesin on Oct 29, 2013 12:05:31 GMT
Think the whole purpose of the prep, is to show how flexible you are, you'e not afraid of using ANY resource thats available, to show SW's you can work with professionals etc, you can ask for help..........I always say prep/HS a bit like my driving test; You know you're checking your rear view mirror all the time, but you have to spell it out by turning your head 180 degress, so the instructer could SEE you were using the mirrors!! Basically - whatever they suggest, do in leaps and bounds and make sure you spell it out, dont assume from one comment youve made that they'll pick up on whatever your point is...over-egg it!! (Have I made my point !!!!! )
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Post by scaredycats on Jun 7, 2014 17:13:28 GMT
We have just joined following Approval Panel on Thursday. Not sure what options have been chosen for us as our LA do it for us and give us 1 free year....
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Post by ladybug on Jun 7, 2014 19:29:39 GMT
After approval our SW gave us the application form to join and our LA paid for a years membership. We had no response from any of the children's profiles we enquired about on there but that is more the SW than AUK I guess.
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Post by chotimonkey on Jun 9, 2014 12:40:14 GMT
I don't think you should lie to sw about joining, I'm sure when we signed up we has to give our sw details so they could verify that we were indeed approved adopters... And our kids came via cww, so for us totally worth it!
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Post by mayan on Jun 9, 2014 14:49:38 GMT
I joined when it was still Ppias - so many many moons ago and after the debacle with the boards I did not renew again.
I was an active member of our great local support group and have seen fab coordinators come and go over the years - we now have a sub group of folk who support each other outside of the group as I have known them so long and they know all our kids quirks and strengths and the children all know each other as adults though they don't see each other as often now of course but still keep track through us parents. Still go and speak occasionally as mainly newbies who come and drift away but some find their way to our well trammelled group eventually.
My children benefitted hugely from meeting so many other adopted children and parents over the years from the camping trips to sandy balls, national members day meet ups and picnics etc organised by the local volunteer coordinators - the children always behaved brilliantly probably because there was no pressure and they felt safe amongst their peers so a rest for me and dh. Great for dh as he made a friendship group of other weary dads and together they could muddle their way through. Of course that then led to the fab old boards and the wonderful friendships that came from there and the mad first meet ups and camping trips tentatively tried by the first intrepid few - trepidatious about meeting strangers who may be weird and not least about camping - some doing it in much style in a pink Barbie tent - you know who you are! Look at all the meet ups that have grown from those early days and the plethora of e groups.
The main magazine was great and useful for me to highlight bits so I could prove to dh it wasn't me going mad or parenting badly - it was in fact the kids
Training was excellent and always a great opportunity to meet other adopters dealing with difficult things or learning how they'd survived challenging times or just learning new tools for that rainy day.
The helpline brilliant in times of sheer desperation or isolation despite all the supportive contacts is made
The lending library resources saved me a fortune in books tapes DVDs etc
As a panel member now I look for adopters to be resourceful and open to using whatever they can find to benefit their children and to build their skills as parents in the future so always look to see how proactive they are in thinking through this so am hopeful when I see folk looking at the boards as scary as they can be - or taking up membership especially when provided by some enlightened LA's (amazing how many parents didn't take up theirs or didn't want the magazine as it had the word adoption on it !). But equally if they are seeking to build their support network of other adopters through links some LAs offer.
As an adoptive parent I would still signpost folk at whatever stage to the organisation albeit I would also alert them to the fact they are an ASA and have policies in place that may conflict with their own support needs.
Certainly been worth my membership fees over many many years and in no small part the reason I am still here and sat at my own digital kitchen table all these years later (a kitchen table is where the old Ppias first started over 40 years ago btw)
Mx
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Post by mayan on Jun 9, 2014 15:03:21 GMT
Actually there are some Las who paid for two years membership as they recognised adopters needed to hear things from those living adoption and that adopters may not want to turn to sws in times of difficulty - don't know with all the cuts whether that is still the case but even then adopters wouldn't take the freebie they were offered - go figure. If you are lucky enough to have it paid for you or can ask as part of your support package - worth it IMHO.
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Post by twoplustwo on Jun 11, 2014 19:48:08 GMT
Our LA paid for one years membership and I have kept up membership ever since. If it's money that's an issue then, if you are on a low income, you can get membership at a reduced price. They have some interesting articles in their magazine and a regular column by a nice chappy called Corkwing.
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