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Post by loadsofbubs on Sept 26, 2013 18:29:32 GMT
anyone got any experience of doing these? thinking about it for a new bubs as has been raised as a possibility for mum but need to know pitfalls and benefits, good and bad points etc (will of course have to talk to fsw- my approval would need to change for one thing, and ccsw etc but just investigating generally before its raised officially). may come to nothing, I've not got a huge amount of experience in this area, but considering it if asked coz it would save bubs moving placement and save mum moving a hundred miles plus from home (tho that might not be a bad thing either sometimes I know!).
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Post by annie70 on Sept 26, 2013 21:10:20 GMT
wow LOB - no words of experience or advice but huge respect for what you are willing to take on... sounds like an entirely new level / type of work for you but I gather you have the experience so if you also have the energy you could be doing a lot of good... Ax
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Post by loadsofbubs on Sept 27, 2013 7:06:31 GMT
I did a few weeks of a mum and baby type placement a few years back but mum didn't live in as this one would if it goes ahead. I have raised my own (uncomplicated) teenagers and have fostered loads of babies but haven't put teenagers and babies together in the same house as a single placement! and this teen is complicated!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 7:56:20 GMT
Have no experience to offer LOB's but would have thought it would be quite hard having someone live in, would be very intrusive and also you would have to offer advice and tip toe round how BM is doing things. They don't like being told what to do, or how to do it.
Also as you have a LO and a new squishy imminent would it be too much for you. Sleepless nights and dealing with a young?,I know it all first time Mum, might be a bit much?
Think it works when there are say two BM's with babies, but FC doesn't have any other littlies, then FC can supervise the babies care and offer support to BM's without having other littlies to worry about.
Am probably talking rubbish so feel free to ignore.
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Post by loadsofbubs on Sept 27, 2013 12:58:52 GMT
not at all jmk. if this does come off as a solution for the BM then little man will probably have moved on anyway by then, or will be due to very soon and squishy bubs is BM's bubs. we have one fc who offers this kind of placement locally and she is full but could give me a lot of advice, and am only considering it at the moment as I believe it is not right to remove a baby simply becoz BM is young and doesn't have a supportive family without at least trying other options first. but it may come to nothing anyway if she doesn't do well in her initial assessment. and may even then if they prefer a unit rather than a fc, or they might look at agency fc's etc. i'm just thinking about it at the moment, lots of variables to consider yet still and you're right, the current dynamics in my household might be too difficult to manage. just wondering if anyone has actually done it. I do know there is a fairly high failure rate, but also have seen the result of failure from an assessment unit and it was a very damaged little boy. would hope in a placement where the BM was herself being parented and could see positive parenting in practice that even if she couldn't manage that, that the baby would have a more positive experience. one thing I learnt from the earlier experience is that I cannot just stand by and let a BM just 'get on' with things and not intervene when I can see she is struggling. we have a day in our household called 'black wednesday' when I was instructed to not intervene in any way unless bubs was at serious risk of physical harm. and by the end of it bubs and my own children were very distressed. BM thought she'd done 'well' becoz she got the ironing done, and bottles done etc, but she'd ignored all cues from bubs, left him hungry for over 2 hours becoz she missed his cues and couldn't work out how to feed him when out of the house. I couldn't stand back and allow that to happen again, even if instructed by sw's to do it, so not sure if my resistance to letting a BM just 'get on with it' would be acceptable either! so need a long and frank discussion with my fsw, the childs sw and this fc to see what IS expected in this kind of placement and if it was to happen and was successful it would also be the most cost effective way of preventing this and any subsequent children, of going into care. but do feel quite strongly that this BM needs parenting herself before she'll have any chance of doing it successfully for this or any other baby.
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Post by imp on Oct 4, 2013 12:01:51 GMT
I can certainly see the advantages of you taking in the mum, and do know of a (scarce) few mum and babe placements that work, BUT, I feel that you are so like me, unable to stand back and let Mum 'fail' to meet the assessment requirements. This is exactly why I won't take on a Mum and Babe---apart from the 24 hour responsibility for them both. My compromise in a similar situation (though aware it's not an option for you) was to have mum visiting for several hours most days---which just went to show that she couldn't parent as she would spend 10 minutes with LO then the rest of the time needing to be 'mothered' by me. Obviously each case is different, but personally it's not an option I would take.
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Post by loadsofbubs on Oct 4, 2013 16:23:10 GMT
that's pretty much what happened with a mum and bubs I cared for 4 1/2 years ago imp. mum visited 6 hours a day 5 days a week as part of a parenting training and assessment programme. it was very structured, we had daily goals, weekly reviews and I had loads of paperwork! but it was pretty obvious within the first week or two that mum wasn't able to manage both the nurture of her baby and the jobs associated with caring for a baby, she could do the jobs or the nurture but not together, which is what led to 'black wednesday'! I can remember about half way through the day she got the ironing board out, planted it across the only gap between the lounge and diner part of the main room so that my AS (learning disabled) had to move the board (with hot iron on) when he wanted to loo or to leave the room, also was placed too near the bubs (I did intervene as I considered that this put two children at significant risk of harm), bubs then started to cry but she carried on ironing, bubs cried some more and eventually she picked him up (iron still on) he stopped crying and she said oh, you just needed a cuddle, then plonked him back into his rocking chair and said , cant cuddle you now i'm doing the ironing. and that was the tone of the rest of the day really! my daughter and son were both in tears by the end of the day and the poor bubs was beside himself. I swore i'd never do it again! but with that mum we all really knew she was going to fail, there was never really any doubt but the courts ordered this intensive parenting and assessment which really only set her up to fail and gave her false hope. but this new mum now is showing a lot of promise even before the assessment so I think she stands a chance of success given the right placement for her and bubs. I recently met the first mum in the village I live in, didn't recognise her. well turned out, clean (a big breakthrough!), working. but she said she was still making poor choices and had had to move to escape some violent neighbours and also said she'd never have another child becoz she couldn't put herself through what she'd been through with her first baby again. the only birth parent I have worked with who has got to point in her life where she recognises her failings and has realised she may never escape them completely. sad, but also kind of gratifying that she has learnt something through this, despite the pain she will have been through.
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Post by imp on Oct 4, 2013 18:04:36 GMT
Certainly might be the right thing for you in this case, like lots of situations, it's a 'needs led' decision that you have to make. Interesting about the first mum, thank goodness she did realise her limitations, if only more would !!
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