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Post by pingu on Sept 23, 2014 9:38:40 GMT
We have been experiencing a returning of the emotional and agressive outbursts from ds2 , that seemed to have stopped. We suspect it is largely due to the stress of change of school, even though it was the right move. Ds1 has told ds2 in no uncertain terms that he needs to stop this, it is his exam year and he is stressed out by it. We have a very supportive post adoption worker who knows what things used to be like, and we plan to raise it with him. Ds1 has also said he is goong to speak to him( he has done so in the past on the subject)
my question is, has anyone actually managed to find any approach or therapy or treatment that has actually worked to help regulate emotions and temper. Or are we doomed for either disruption or living with domestic violence . He is the same size as i am now, and in acouple of years ds1 will be off to college or job, so time is running out.
One odd thing is that since the move, basic maths that he knew before seem to have gone from his head. It reminds us of when ds1 first came, he was diagnosed with dyspraxia, yet his old school notes show much better handwriting. I believe he is getting stressed out at being no lomger top of class in maths but he seems to be going backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 10:19:05 GMT
No advice to give I'm afraid, but will watch this post with interest as I was just thinking the same myself recently.
A lot of our kids need anger management to control their intense feelings and help them cope.
We shouldn't have to be the punch bags.
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Post by damson on Sept 23, 2014 16:54:50 GMT
Both my children went backwards on entry to secondary school. It was an enormous change for them. Maths and handwriting backslid, and social networking took over balefully. He is probably struggling to keep his end up socially at school.
What contact have you had with school? Have you been to talk to their pastoral care people? There are things the school can do to calm things down.
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Post by pingu on Sept 23, 2014 23:06:50 GMT
Thanks folks, the school is a private one, and he got their on his own merit but we are going to be getting reviewed for an increase to the bursary, once the foster money stops in January. Therefore we dont want to raise any problems with them at the moment. He is doing fine at school apart from maths, which they have picked up on and are beginning to address . The school starts earlier and finishes later than his old one, but he is enjoying the subjects and got through this weeks homework very well and with no help needed except how to use Pages software ( like Word for ipad) and a few suggestions for english poster.(what is it with all these posters nowadays!!) these are no behavioural issues at school and he loves being there.we hope he can stay there because of a number of reasons.(not least the option to board but still be close by if necessary!) Also, he came home today saying he has been invited to someones house next Monday, to play, and his classmates seem a freindly bunch. In a few weeks we have a parent night so i will see how his progress is by then. We are giving lots of extra tlc and attention. I am more comcerned about him regulating his emotions and dealing with his feelings when upset or angry at home. He has had some therapy sessions with a councellor who helps children who have been in domestic abise situations, which applies to him, he remembers things were bad, but not sure how much detail he remembers. He said last night that the therapy hasnt worked. He did seem to be better for about a year though, and i suspect it will settle as he gets used to the new regime schoolwise. But clearly he needs more help for when life is stressful amd he recognises the need himself. After all, one blowout was when he got very cocky at hos birthday party and didnt like being told to cool it, so its not just stress or past events. One of the things i have heard helps with this is cognitive behaviour therapy, but fitting it into a busy week could be hard and i was told they need to be at least 12 to do it successfully. Ds1 told me tonight that he had a serious talk with him pointing out that just because he was adopted, didnt mean he couldnt find himself back in foster care , but that if it happened he would stll be part of our family and we would be the ones visiting him! Lets hope it helps, and he knows his brother will understand where he is coming from. But if anyone has any suggestions please let me know
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Post by peartree on Sept 24, 2014 7:34:16 GMT
Hi
Yes I'm having a good go at setting up some things to try tackling domestic abuse in adoptive families Going to go on a conference to link with national picture today/ tomorrow But potato group and Hampton trust have a joint proposal We want to pilot it next year.
Pm by all means
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Post by pingu on Sept 24, 2014 8:03:55 GMT
Thanks Pear Tree, let me know how it goes or if you hear of anything within reach of me. You know where i live ! He might feel out of place in a lynx group, as he is not delinquent, but i would guess specifically adoptee groups are rare. The thing is that he is lovely 99 per cent of the time, but when his rage happens it tips over quite quickly and i am wondering if it even is controlable by him when ot happens, or of it is chemical in his brain. Very like his birth dads rages. There is so little seems to be known about these thimgs.
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Post by daffin on Sept 24, 2014 8:08:50 GMT
Our DS lashes out a lot. He's only 4.5, so the physical impact is probably much less, though emotionally it's still very wearing.
We have found the technique outlined in 'The Great Behaviour Breakdown' by Bryan Post useful - and training by the same name by Family Futures. I started a thread here with that name, which describes the approach but it is based on staying calm yourself and empathising with the child's fear, which is triggering the outburst.
Using GBB hasn't solved the problem but it has helped.
We're also looking into getting DDP (Diadic Developmental Psychotherapy) for DS. It's an approach that has been developed by Dan Hughes and apparently shows excellent results.
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Post by daffin on Sept 24, 2014 8:20:46 GMT
Pingu, you posted while I was writing my last reply.
More is being discovered about the impact of early trauma on the brain. Margot Sutherland is an expert and has written a lot. Bryan Post's book mentioned above summarises recent research. Basically, kids who have been traumatised have an over active fight/flight/freeze response and the part of the brain the normally moderates these responses is underdeveloped. They literally can't help themselves. Often they have an underdeveloped pre-frontal cortex, too, which can mean that they have Impaired executive functioning and cope less well with controlling impulses, controlling anger, dealing with transitions, planning etc.
Exposure to violence is known to cause trauma in children - and these brain-based problems. I suspect that using CBT (rather than something that addresses the trauma itself) will be a sticking plaster rather than a long-term solution - but I'm not an expert!
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Post by pingu on Sept 25, 2014 8:12:25 GMT
An interesting few days. He has pulled back from the brink twice now, and actually apologisied for his reaction at one point. He really does seem to be trying to control himself since his untherapeutic talk with us, and with ds1 Being blunt with him about what he is doing and where it could lead, does seem to be making a difference. He does understand cause and effect unlike some kids and obviously wants to stay here. Still a lot to work on, but a start. I read Pear Tree's blog article about her son and his art installation, very familiar about the toxic shame and the fight flight and freeze problem, and option 3 is what we generally do, but we are not perfect and in his case is has to be balanced with his " i am King and you are my servants" complex !! Next we need to find a way to help him understand that, if he asks us to be quiet so he can calm down, then he needs to not spend that time insulting us or it wont work! Actually he must be massibely unsettled at the moment, because in the past, every school move has been a change of carer, This is the first time he has chnaged school but remained in the same place and with the same people, so its no wonder he is knocked off his perch emotionally. And i am thinking with affection about ds1 saying to him In his usual blunt fashion " That women as you call her, took you in and gave you a home, and this is not the way to behave towards here" Good old ds1. !!!
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Post by mooster on Sept 25, 2014 9:34:10 GMT
Oh it is so hard – I take heart from the cause and effect understanding which is sadly so lacking in our AD. Learning from situations just seems so impossible. Fear is expressed so easily as anger and resentment by our AD and I remember so well the explosions, inability to calm, name calling, insults etc etc. It was all saved for the family home as well, none seen at school which made things doubly difficult as I began to doubt what was acceptable and what was not. It massively affected our AS who found it all so hard to live with.
I to have that treasured moment when you hear one child defending you to another – I couldn’t believe how articulate our AS could be. AD was distraught by his “perceived attack” and spent the next hour crying on her bedroom floor feeling sorry for herself. As lovely as it was it did push her into victim mode, “He hates me, I have ruined his life” so you just need to be careful that these feeling don’t materialise as worse behaviour.
We have had some intensive therapy sessions, funded by SS outside of CAMHS remit – should have had them years ago, they are ongoing but are certainly helping on the regulation front. Advice to AS was to thank his sister for helping him to learn to deal with anyone in life – if you can cope with her you can cope with anyone!
We probably coped too well for too long until it massively fell apart. Horrible! If you are worried about the future ask for help now. Our county is supposed to be setting up an adoption group for young teens. PM if you want. AD was 7 when she came to us.
Take care and try to remember their explosions are not personal – so hard, so hard….
Mooster xxx
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Post by topcat on Sept 25, 2014 19:22:38 GMT
So many things resonate with our DS (7) - I am King you are my servants complex - oh yes, not to mention the violent outbursts and lack of control. Where do I find the blog you referred to Pingu?
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Post by pingu on Sept 26, 2014 12:56:57 GMT
See the top post in this forum ( adopters of older adoptees) Potato Group for the link Topcat
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