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Post by scaredycats on Jul 1, 2014 16:29:32 GMT
THE long awaited (well ok, not that long) phone call from SW today re potential blue LO!! Am so excited, finally allowing myself to be excited! LO's PO has been granted and we are to meet LO's SW next week. CPR to be with us later this week..... Scary? YES Exciting? YES DH is excited too, bless him - had to get him to call me from work - wondering if he'll be able to concentrate much this PM...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 16:33:47 GMT
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Post by larsti on Jul 1, 2014 16:54:31 GMT
Wonderful Congratulations!
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Post by amberle on Jul 1, 2014 17:04:05 GMT
Fantastic news...how very exciting for you xx
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Post by moo on Jul 1, 2014 17:15:46 GMT
Oh wow.... How brill...
Do keep us posted.... Can't remember is it a blue or pink.... One or 2??
Ooohhhh goosebumps..... Xx
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by knight on Jul 1, 2014 17:38:45 GMT
oooOOOHHHHH very exciting !! Keep us posted x
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Post by lovelybee on Jul 1, 2014 18:06:59 GMT
How exciting! Hope there is nothing that concerns you too much in CPR. Looking forward to hearing more about little blue!
LB x
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 1, 2014 22:05:13 GMT
Just one Blue LO, Moo. CPR just fell through the door (hand delivered by our SW). DH just reading it as I'll have time tomorrow. 46-odd pages... And 2 adorable photos..... Hard reading though - I guess they always are. Meeting scheduled at our house next Tuesday with us, our SW and LO's SW.
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Post by moo on Jul 2, 2014 5:02:41 GMT
Ooohhh exciting stuff... Hand delivered too... Things are moving....
Keeping everything crossed for you on Tuesday next.... Coo that will come around so quick.... Is l/o really tiny??!
Getting very excited for you.... This is all sooo ffffast
Everything crossed xx
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 2, 2014 7:16:03 GMT
4 months, but the worst start in life in utero :-( Really need to do our research. Such a massive decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 7:18:35 GMT
Wow that's young.
Yes time for heart and head to gave a lengthy chat. It is a huge decision.
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Post by sooz on Jul 2, 2014 10:17:51 GMT
My ds was 4 months too xx
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 2, 2014 12:12:04 GMT
Thanks for sharing that, Sooz. I must say I feel a bit in anguish about it. There are many positive things in his CPR about his development but I think it would be unrealistic to think that the dreadful exposure to stuff in utero is not going to have any consequences in later life. There are 2 absolutely adorable photos in the CPR. This feels bittersweet - so difficult. What might help us in making decision? Also, what questions ought we to ask LO's SW?
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Post by lovelybee on Jul 2, 2014 12:33:55 GMT
It is so hard when they are so young. There isn't many developmemental milestones for babies to have achieved at that age so very little to make a decision on. A lot of children with significant problems will still have normal early development.
Definitely try to get as much info on birth family as possible especially mental health diagnoses or symptoms of possible un diagnosed mental health problems, get info about drug screening in birth mum and baby's urine, info on symptoms of withdrawal, birth weight and weight gain and head circumference. Also ask about feeding, sleeping and reflux. Read about antenatal drug and alcohol exposure and FASD/FAE. Most problems won't present till they are 2-3+ anyway. Make sure you meet and quiz the medical advisor.
For us we wanted to know what the worse case scenario was for the future. We knew we could cope with significant learning difficulties and emotional/ behavioural problems. All children who are adopted will have problems. It is a matter of can you accept and support your child to reach their potential. Often other peoples expectations of your child are the most difficult to handle!
Good luck with your decision. CPR's can be overwhelming. Exciting times but nerve racking times too!
Hope post makes sense!
LB x
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 2, 2014 13:04:01 GMT
Re BM/BD not an awful lot of info except for the horrific substance misuse all through pregnancy :-( Birth weight 8lb = good Birth time 40 + weeks = good Head circumference 35cm - no idea if this is usual?? Withdrawal all managed and successfully completed at hospital within 3 weeks. Sleeps well. Engaging in eye contact/ looking for adults/ smiling/ cooing....
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Post by gilreth on Jul 2, 2014 15:38:43 GMT
If it is just drugs misuse there is not as much long-term harm as there is from alcohol (FASD) according to our local paediatrician (who specialises in the misuse in pregnancy effects). Does depend a little on what the drugs were - opioid based (heroin & its substitutes) are less harmful from cocaine and its substitutes. I can go find our notes from our seminar on this last year if that would help?
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 2, 2014 15:47:39 GMT
Thanks, Gilreth and Lovelybee, BM on crack cocaine and heroin - long term addiction. No idea about alcohol, but probably taken too I would say. No FASD/FAE mentioned in CPR.
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Post by sooz on Jul 2, 2014 17:51:54 GMT
Scaredycats, if you can offer this lo a home and support for the rest of yours/his life, roll with the punches, live with uncertainty, love him for who he is and who he'll be and deal with problems if and when they arise, then you'll be just fine.
I think there will be no clear cut answers for you, no matter how much you read or investigate, there are too many uncertainties and unknowns.
It just depends if it's something you feel you can do, and no one will judge you either way, it has to be right for your family.
If it helps, at all, I do not regret a single thing, and I never thought I'd be any good at coping with special needs. I think the fact ds came home so young helped as we kind of grew up with stuff. I honestly think that if ds was presented to me at his age now and with his level of difficulties I'd say no way, can't do that!
If you can accept the 'worst case scenario' you'll be prepared for anything. He could be fine, but it is a gamble.
Best wishes, don't envy you right now, so so tough xxxx
Pm if you need to xx
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Post by donatella on Jul 2, 2014 18:21:07 GMT
With a baby that young there's going to be no way of telling what the future will hold. Milestones ago that age are pretty meaningless - tbh they are at most ages because they're set so low anyway.
If you can, do find out if alcohol figured. Also any diagnosed or suspected ADHD, ASD. Often bps abuse drugs, alcohol as a means of self medicating. Is there a long family history of similar behaviour? Or are these two one offs?
What was the pregnancy like? Stressful? Any domestic violence? Can affect a baby's brain wiring, higher cortisol levels, pronounced flight, fight, freeze reflex.
The thing I've found when you have a very young baby is that by the time any difficulties become apparent (usually around the start of school/nursery) then that child is yours and you'll just accept that this is the way he is and fight for him.
But you do take a chance. But then it's probable that the next link would be the same anyway.
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Post by donatella on Jul 2, 2014 18:22:11 GMT
Do also think about work. What if you can't return to work?
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Post by moo on Jul 2, 2014 18:25:12 GMT
I'm with sooz...
Four months is just too young for any real tests /symptoms/ expectations to be realised.....
Do your research by all means but nothing is ever clear cut... Plus most children looking for adopted families have such similar abuses etc in their short history.....Personality & resilience are up there with the rest to further alter your expected outcome & picture of your future.....
As sooz says the wondrousness of 4 months means you will be building your life & bonds really really young... The difference that will make really is Huge....That really will be such an amazing start point.... So very jealous wish I had met baa & skweek at 4 months.... Sounds like heaven....
Good Luck researching & thinking..... Go with the flow... Don't force anything see how you 'feel'...
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 2, 2014 21:14:35 GMT
Thanks, guys. Donatella, I'm planning on taking at least a year or few off work.... No mention of domestic violence - but will ask specifically. LO removed at birth unsurprisingly. No known drug abuse in other family members of BM. No mention of ADHD or ASD in BM/ BF but will ask. From his photos he looks adorable and is smiling. We already have a family member with severe special needs and yes, it is very tough, and as you kind of said, Sooz, not what you would choose. I guess we are feeling that if we don't go for it with this LO then we would need to rethink totally what we are looking for e.g. a 6 year old at least!! So I think at the moment we are thinking of going for it. Any other things we should ask LO's SW?
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Post by lovelybee on Jul 2, 2014 22:04:22 GMT
It is probably worth asking if there are any other families being considered for him, siblings, contact arrangements.
We didn't read many CPR's but they were all pretty horrific. Our eldest AD was almost 11 months when she came home with quite a similar background. She is the most beautiful, bright, kind, caring, chatty, cheeky girl who lights up a room but I am sure she will need some support with her emotions, behaviour and learning. It is only now she is close to 3 that things are becoming noticeable. We would not change her for the world though and are so thankful she is our daughter. We love her completely and it feels like she has been with us forever. We will cope with any problems and support her and fight for her because she is our daughter.
Good luck and hope the meeting with SW goes well. Write a list of things you want to ask and do lots of reading.
Lots of love LB x
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Post by moo on Jul 3, 2014 6:04:08 GMT
Good Luck today scaredycats Hope there are no more couples in the running.....
Please keep us posted.... Thinking of you....,
xxx. moo. Xx
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Post by sooz on Jul 3, 2014 7:04:36 GMT
Good luck, keeping my fingers crossed for you. Xxx
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 3, 2014 7:07:36 GMT
Hi Lovelybee and Moo, No other couples in the running. Only us. Our LA does not do competitive matching. No contact with other half-siblings is anticipated by the court. Contact arrangements after placement will be 2 letter exchanges only per year as per court request. So, from that point of view, it is a very simple case. If only the rest of it were simple too :-) We have requested more recent photos as we only have one at 8 weeks and one at 11 weeks. We have also requested a video, so we shall see.
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Post by moo on Jul 3, 2014 10:01:50 GMT
Everything's crossed.... Sending uncomplicated happy vibes your way... Xx
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 4, 2014 13:48:10 GMT
Lots of questions sent out to LO's SW. Meeting LO's SW next week. Then paediatrician and FC the following week. DH and I have got our thinking caps on, but our hearts are leaning towards going for it! Feeling in a bit of turmoil but have supportive family :-) and you guys, of course!
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Post by knight on Jul 5, 2014 6:58:32 GMT
Oh, very exciting scaredycats.....things are moving very quickly with you so that sounds promising too. x
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Post by scaredycats on Jul 8, 2014 6:45:00 GMT
Meeting LO's SW today. The house is in a bit of a state as we are decorating, we thought better to get it done now, but it does put the pressure on a bit! Have prewarned both SW's. Lots of Qs from us, but I guess the main thing will be What can we do to mitigate any adverse effects of the in utero drug exposure? I'm learning that it is a highly complex issue, but am determined to do my research. Scheduled meeting with FC on Thursday, then Paediatrician the following Thursday.
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