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Post by ladybug on Jan 21, 2015 19:10:07 GMT
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Post by knight on Jan 21, 2015 20:15:02 GMT
You have got to be joking !!?? I know it happens but BD will have had months so far to put his 'evidence'; really feel for you. Hope you get a bit more info tomorrow about when the next hearing has been fixed and chances of PO and no further delays by March. so awful for you x
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Post by imp on Jan 21, 2015 20:34:22 GMT
The legal system is an ass----but nothing that SWs can do I'm afraid. Really feel for you ladybug xxx
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Post by ladybug on Jan 21, 2015 20:46:39 GMT
Both our SW and CSW were optimistic about getting the PO and our SW said earlier when we saw her that she thought it was a clear cut case but clearly not!! Not sure if he wants to provide evidence or wants LA to. Just goes to show even when they think it can't go any other way that the court still leans towards the birth family!! Those are the chances you take though if you want to proceed with a child that doesn't have a PO granted. ?
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Post by poohbear on Jan 21, 2015 21:12:20 GMT
Oh no! How much more bad luck can one person have. Sorry to hear this. X
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Post by vickyvixen on Jan 21, 2015 21:46:16 GMT
Nightmare - so sorry to hear this. I hope you find out more tomorrow. Take care of yourself.
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Post by lovelybee on Jan 21, 2015 21:50:49 GMT
Oh Ladybug I am so sorry. Hope you find out more soon and the hearing is early in March.
Hugs LB x
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Post by ladybug on Jan 21, 2015 21:51:19 GMT
Thank you. I am sure it will all lead to character building!
X x
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Post by leo on Jan 21, 2015 22:10:19 GMT
I'm so sorry that you have yet more uncertainty and delay.
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Post by Ad-minnie! on Jan 21, 2015 22:47:34 GMT
Oh, I am so so sorry. Big hugs. I had quite a roller coaster ride and wait from approval to match. But it's so meant to be in terms of how it's worked out. I know that's small comfort right now though. But all the uncertainty and delay I had led to my wonderful boys. Wishing you a bucketful of good wishes for getting a link and being matched soon soon soon. Minnie x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 10:12:16 GMT
Awh Ladybug so sorry to hear latest news, but it's not a no, just a delay so hopefully LO will still be yours, but how frustrating that you now have to wait even longer after all you've been through. Don't give up, if BD had any chance of keeping LO, it would have happened by now as SS always try and place children with BF's as it is cheaper than adoption, so try not to worry, impossible I know.
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Post by moo on Jan 22, 2015 12:38:35 GMT
Ohhhh ladybug...... just can't believe it
Many many gentle hugs on there way to you both xxxxxxxxx
Xx moo xx
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Post by chotimonkey on Jan 22, 2015 13:54:43 GMT
Oh ladybird... I'm so sorry... Sounds like the courts have to make sure thAt bf have every chance to have their say so nothing can be overturned later. I know how you feel tho and send lots of hugs and calming glass of something medicinal. Howler's po was delayed by 6 weeks, she was supposed to be home in June and didn't come home till August... It doesn't make any difference to our lives now, but at the time it felt interminable. Bf also contested squirrel and howler's final ao, so they were delayed too, George's was delayed because ss sent bf letter to wrong address and it didn't give them time to respond. These delays are soul destroying at the time, but hopefully just delays, stay strong and hopefully once lo is placed with you this will all fade... Really sucks tho... Esp when there's nothing you can do but wait for the process to go again
Lots of love xxx
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Post by ladybug on Jan 22, 2015 17:53:26 GMT
Heard from SW this morning she received a detailed email from CSW. Apparently there ws no judge for the hearing so they had to sit and wait for 2 1/2 hours for one and then we they did turn up it wasn't the one who had already knew the case, if it had've been they are pretty sure PO would've been granted, so they have allowed BF to have another hearing and submit evidence contrary to what SS are stating and simply because he is allowed to do it he has done it! Obviously SS are saying he doesn't have a leg to stand on otherwise LO wouldn't have been removed and history wouldn't have repeated itself. SW has said the original judge was in favour of PO being granted and that after the next 3 day hearing they will get it so we are going to stick it out as they can possibly get us on an earlier panel than April maybe mid to late March as all the paperwork is now ready for MP as it would've had to have been filed tomorrow for Feb MP. As soon as we hear PO is granted we are good to go
X x x Ladybug x x X
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Post by nomoretears on Jan 22, 2015 22:32:02 GMT
What???
I thought Judges were "tied" to cases precisely to prevent things like this happening. I'm presuming this is a final hearing if a Placement order was supposedly going to be granted today? The judge dealing with it should have reserved it to themselves and if they were unexpectedly unavailable (it does happen, even Judges get sick) they would have to have given permission for it to be released - which they are very loathe to do.
I think I'd be asking a few more questions of the child's SW. They certainly shouldn't be telling you that they will definitely get a placement order simply because the matter will go before the original judge next time. The timescale for this case must already be pushing the "red flag" status and a judge wouldn't adjourn just for the sake of letting BF have another hearing.
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Post by ladybug on Jan 25, 2015 11:09:08 GMT
NMT, I really do't have a clue about how the court works but it would make sense for the same judge to follow the case through. It was originally listed as a final hearing but the date changed from the Friday to the Tuesday which CSW knew but was no longer listed as a final hearing so whether BF waited until the last minute to contest I have no clue but would have thougt that CSW should have been told this by the court?!
It definitely is pushing the red flag target as CSW said that they had been chased as the 26 weeks was either up or almost up!
It's just the lack of control and the uncertainty of it all that is getting to me.
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Post by nomoretears on Jan 25, 2015 13:48:02 GMT
If the hearing date changed, along with the Judge, that suggests to me that the parties involved (including CSW) knew it was going to be a contested final hearing. This would then mean they'd be given a much shorter time slot on the Tuesday for directions to be given (including a new final hearing date). It also explains why it was able to go before any Judge, and not the Judge whose case it actually is. (Contested final hearings are longer than non contested hearings which is why they can't just use the original date).
It's still naughty of child's SW not to have given you the full facts as she MUST have known this was going to happen this week, but it does explain why she's still pretty sure they'll get the order they want at the next hearing.
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Post by ladybug on Jan 25, 2015 15:06:32 GMT
Thank you NMT kind of makes a bit more sense now. X x x
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Post by ladybug on Feb 2, 2015 19:23:54 GMT
So tomorrow we have our reapproval. I have mixed emotions about this, sad that it has come to this as from the outset we were hopeful that we would be matched within a few months!!! How very wrong was I?? However this does mean that our child(ren) is/are still out there, hopefully our little blue. Have been having a bit of a panic about tomorrow as in what if they don't reapproved us although nothing has changed other than we are probably better off financially than we were this time last year, it's just unfortunate that we have been with 2 links for so long that amounted to nothing in the end!!
Cannot believe how quickly that year has passed and that we are still holding on with both hands to our hopes and dreams!
X x x Ladybug x x X
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Post by damson on Feb 2, 2015 19:52:02 GMT
{{{LB}}} Hang on in there. Real life will resume after panel xxx D
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Post by knight on Feb 2, 2015 23:07:13 GMT
Not far behind you Ladybug - are you going? I'm not, I just see it as a formality; nothing's changed, I've been very proactive, just still waiting !! x
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Post by ladybug on Feb 3, 2015 8:19:45 GMT
Yes Knight we are going only because SW told us we needed to or it would look better if we did. I'm sure it is only a formality but still having a little panic about it!
X x x
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Post by loadsofbubs on Feb 3, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
as I understand it your approval's only for 12 months so needs to be restamped, much as my fostering approval does. is usually just a formality. don't sweat it!
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Post by ladybug on Feb 3, 2015 16:54:41 GMT
I was so much more nervous this time around and the nerves didn't go when we got in he panel meeting room unlike last year!! Anyway...we were reapproved!! Yay! So onwards and upwards and hopefully back in 6-7 weeks for MP.
X x x
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Post by knight on Feb 3, 2015 18:13:25 GMT
Well done, not that there was any doubt of course. I suppose you were more anxious this time because this is more "real" / more to lose in that sense with a real LO to look at and hopefully go to MP for.
Well, I got my first "hit" off the Register today - only taken them nearly a year .....!!! but who knows, that might be all that was needed, we'll see. It's just so disheartening, being turned down soooo many times, trying to keep positive but, tough isn't it?!?
x
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Post by ladybug on Feb 3, 2015 21:31:38 GMT
Yay!! Go Knight. Fingers crossed for you.
It is so tough being positive but I think that is what has got us through to this point. The panel actually asked us if we thought that prep training had prepared us for this situation and said perhaps we could come in to prep training sessions at some future point to talk about our experience.
X x
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Post by vickyvixen on Feb 4, 2015 16:22:21 GMT
Fingers crossed Knight. Yes, I was feeling down about it yesterday. I have been shortlisted so many times - and I have been waiting for over a week to find out if I've been successful for the latest little one. So I suppose that means no but I do wish they'd just tell me! I think my SW is losing the will to live as well!
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Post by knight on Feb 4, 2015 20:44:35 GMT
Safety in numbers VV Seriously though, it has to be ours and our LOs' time to be linked & matched soon, surely to goodness. x
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Post by ladybug on Feb 4, 2015 20:44:51 GMT
It is definitely the not knowing that makes it worse. If the answer is going to be no I'd rather know sooner than later so then you can move on.
X x x
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Post by knight on Feb 4, 2015 22:02:39 GMT
Ladybug I think it's even harder for you with what's happened but yeah, the not knowing is so annoying and frustrating. Rather just know it's a "no" sooner rather than dragging it out. I'm sure that once our children are home, like everyone else says, this will be a distant memory; (the only positive is that my savings for AL are increasing and with the SAP changes in 2mths' time, things won't be quite so tight now, whoop whoop, keep having to try to focus on the positives) x
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