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Post by Janie2 on Apr 3, 2014 12:50:55 GMT
Hello all,
I don't know if anyone has any experience of our situation - all I can do is ask. Our AD (19) has convictions for 1] Possession of Cannabis 2] Carrying an offensive weapon 3] Breach of the peace.
These were incurred when she was 15/16, and she did time with the Youth Offending Service. All this happened when she was S20 and living away from home. She has turned that awful corner and now lives independently on Housing Benefit, she is now a lovely girl and wants to work with Children. However, the DBS dept, (was the CRB dept),tell me that if she was convicted rather than cautioned these stay on her record for ever. O.K there is nothing we can do about that, and she admits if only she could turn the clock back!
College open evening tell us that she may not be accepted on a course because a lot of the course is on placement. We have yet to go and see the Job Centre to see if they have come across this position before.
I am wondering if anyone has experience of their child being accepted by a potential employer on placement if a written statement was made by DD admitting her foolishness and asking to be given a chance.
It is so sad these under 18 convictions remain there for life. Wondering if she should look for work in another area of life instead.
Thank you to anyone who can help. Spring xx
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Post by flowerpower on Apr 3, 2014 14:25:46 GMT
Tell her to fill in the form but be as honest as possible.
They will show up, but her honesty will stand in her favour, as long as they are not crimes against children or vulnerable adults and she is honest. It will look very good for her at interview.
Nowadays they ask if you have anything to disclose. If she does not wish to say it at interview she could write it down and hand it to them or even discuss it with HR before interview. They are the only ones to see that part of the form and can be very helpful
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Post by moo on Apr 3, 2014 17:41:59 GMT
I'm with flowerpower on this....
Bonkers ... Again.....
Can't believe as a minor ( child) it is still the offence it 'could' be as an adult Iykwim...
Good Luck to your dd.... I wish her every success.... ( seems to me she would be perfect having such life experiences to share.... )
xx. moo. Xx
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Post by rlmjam on Apr 3, 2014 19:35:45 GMT
Because it is more than one conviction it will be disclosed if the employment is exempt from the rehabilitation of offenders act. It will state this on the application form. As others have said, ensure everything is disclosed and use the section where you get to provide more information to give an explanation.
The convictions will not necessarily mean she won't get the job and the college may not automatically reject her for the course.
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Post by twoplustwo on Apr 3, 2014 19:56:18 GMT
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Post by greyspeckledhen on Apr 4, 2014 9:01:07 GMT
That's a really useful document twoplustwo - not yet relevant for us, but very useful to have read it and be able to pass on information to others - thanks.
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Post by pluto on Apr 4, 2014 9:18:52 GMT
If I was an employer and read this I would think, mmmmmmmmmm drugs is a no, no. This is probably someone with a short temper (breach of peace, weapons), it is only 3 or so years ago this happened. Thank you very much too much risk for the vunerable group of children in this (fill in) school, youth centre, daycare, hospital etc. You know they are over anxious after Iam cases etc, and maybe that is good to a degree.
I think it would be best if your daughter first tries to get a job in green houses, clothing processing, garden centre, one or other factory for a year or 2, to proove that she can keep times and an employer happy. After that or during (if feasable, an evening course, open university or so) start a course related to children. Than when she has a cv with positives (good employment reference, finished a course, stayed out of trouble etc) than she has a bigger chance to get employed working with children. It is also longer ago than, let be fair as an employer someone can tell you they turned a corner but would you easily believe? Especially if you are employing someone to work with children? There need to be some 'proove', something extra than just keeping out of trouble with the law.
A few more years to achieve a goal is fine, she is still very young. It is a hard lesson when natural concequences take controle over someones life, but all she can do is accepting the limitations and delay for now and live life in such way that the trail behind is positive.
It is fantastic that she turned her life around and want to work and be productive for society, I bet you are so proud of her. The above is what I would advise her, to prevent that she gets rejection after rejection from employers when applying for jobs or courses she is unlikely to get in at the moment.
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Post by Janie2 on Apr 7, 2014 17:58:37 GMT
Thank you all so much for replies Pluto I agree with your advice. Maybe in time, she might be accepted for Youth Work. We have decided to get her signed on to JSA and seek their advice at the Job Centre. It maybe she has to do something else for now. Just hope she can get a job doing something!!! Thank you again Spring x
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