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Post by knight on Feb 26, 2014 21:24:32 GMT
Hi all
I'm being a little premature but I wonder if you'd all give me your thoughts: adopters and foster carers please.
I'm sure every adopter to some extent feels that they're being 'judged' during intros (even if it's not remotely justified).
I've seen on various threads over a couple of years about discipline / setting boundaries:-
~ some adopt the school of thought of "start as you mean to go on" (ok perhaps not at intros but fairly soon after child/ren are home) ~ some feel intros are not the time to start imposing boundaries (except for ones essential for safety)
So, firstly, what do you think about the timing of setting boundaries? and secondly, assuming people think (as I expect really) that intros and onwards is more about bonding, engaging, not sweating the small stuff etc
~ is there a risk in the event of adopting the second, more therapeutic, approach that the child's SW / FC may think you're not the right parent(s) (ie too soft, particularly if the child is so frightened about the unknown and kicking off) and risk disrupting intros?
What do you think?
x
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Post by nomoretears on Feb 26, 2014 21:42:57 GMT
I'm a bit contradictory I'm afraid.
I always have fairly firm boundaries and find the children placed with me respond well to them, In fact they are often confused when the boundaries are relaxed (I.e. on holiday). In that respect I'd encourage a new parent to continue along similar lines.
On the other hand, the child is more likely to be playing up out of a sense of confusion and fear and therefore needs love and cuddles just as much as firm boundaries.
Most prospective adopters I've worked with have watched me for the first few days then gradually taken over in a similar vein to me. I think most foster carers accept that all new parents have their own parenting style though, and I certainly wouldn't judge you for doing things differently (unless you did something horrendous like smacking!! Then I'd have words... )
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Post by knight on Feb 26, 2014 22:02:20 GMT
Thanks NMT: so prior to intros, would it be appropriate to ask the child's FC how they deal with various issues/ boundaries, then to be followed up on during intros by watching the FC (just in case a curve ball is thrown?) x
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Post by gilreth on Feb 26, 2014 22:03:05 GMT
We took from the FC initially - and have adapted as we have gone along. some boundaries were set from the bringing for safety reasons. We took to heart the advice we were given by another adopter: 'Pick your battles' and have and continue to do so. We are slowly working on the stuff that is socially not acceptable but otherwise still try to take an empathetic appraoch as much as we can.
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Post by donatella on Feb 26, 2014 22:12:09 GMT
I think also ot depends on what you mean by discipline? And what your boundaries are. You may find that something the Fc is happy to let go, you're not - picking battles. Conversely you might feel more relaxed about a particular behaviour than the Fc. A lot depends on what your particular buttons are - the child will find then!
For intros I'd focus more in watching, listening and learning. Get to know the child, earn his or her trust (start to) before worrying too much about discipline. Take your lead from the Fc.
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Post by kstar on Feb 26, 2014 22:21:29 GMT
I think some of it just feels right when you're there. I was planning to not even attempt any boundaries until we were at home together, but then on the very first day she tried to cheat on a game we were playing be I thought ooooooh no! I would say you will achieve more when you have your little girl at your house with you - then is the time to start. However I don't think it's a massive issue because I think most children start the testing later when they're more settled.
I totally agree with picking your battles too! Best piece of advice anyone ever gave me. To begin with Starlet was a poppet but her table manners were awful so we started with that (turned out when she was with FCs she mostly ate alone because she was slow so was left). I wanted her to have socially acceptable table manners so we could start eating out, something we still really enjoy as a treat!
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Post by moo on Feb 27, 2014 7:29:31 GMT
Some great replies knight.... Picking my battle has always been a mantra if mine!!! My two arrived together ( at the run!!) so I to my surprise had to be very firm from the off....
Our lo's seem to be Xtra programmed to check out the buttons & flaws to exploit!!! Hypervigilance also meant they were constantly checking & testing boundaries from the get go.... Competition between them was fierce Baptism of fire.... If you have a great f/c like our friends on here it will be a breeze.... Just follow the lead as nmt suggests
Fingers are firmly crossed for you knight.... I so hope your wait between panels is a short one.... Sooo soon now for approval
Xx. moo. Xx
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Post by jollymummy on Feb 27, 2014 8:06:46 GMT
We were approved for between 3 and 4 children and went to visit a family of four. Their advice was decide what is important to you and put that in place straight away (e.g. that the family all eat together, or that there is no coming back downstairs once bedtime routine started). We were also advised that it was easier to be firm to start and then relax some rules off than to start relaxed and then impose boundaries. The FC ours were with were very rigid and we transferred most of their routines and boundaries to us immediately and then relaxed some of them (such as insisting they have a poo before breakfast!! Really??). Many will be on their best behaviour initially (honeymoon period) so it is fairly easy the first few days (maybe even weeks) but when they start testing boundaries you will be pleased to have clear expectations.
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Post by sockthing on Feb 27, 2014 9:49:04 GMT
Hello knight,
I would agree with Donatella. Also a lot will depend on the age of your child - an 18 month old testing boundaries is a different kettle of fish than a 6 year old testing them, even if only because a 6 year old has more comprehension of what they are doing and you can verbalise with them more. Though it's always worth remembering that the therapeutic advice is to always think of your child as operating at a toddler level of emotion.
I think too, that it's worth bearing in mind that boundaries can be set out "drawn in the sand" as it were, and then reinforced in a gentle non-punitive way , at least to begin with.
I definitely agree with "pick your battles". Tackling too many things at once can result in the child being overwhelmed. Interested in your experience jolly mummy and interested that it worked well to have lots of clear boundaries to start - I can see how that works. I guess a lot depends on the child and what they are used to. Take your lead from FC is good advice.
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Post by jollymummy on Feb 27, 2014 14:43:11 GMT
Because our foster carers had been really strict our children were over-compliant to start with - that soon changed (LOL!!). My girls were nearly 4 and my son was 17 months when they came to us. On the whole the girls have mostly been well behaved particularly at school and such. My son however - a little terror. But just normal mischievousness rather than anything that gave us concern.
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Post by knight on Feb 27, 2014 18:58:15 GMT
Thanks everyone so much for your replies.
Moo: you never know (!!!) I enquired about a LO who'd already been matched but her SW emailed me this morning about her older sister (still in my age range). see ASB in a bit.
x
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Post by nomoretears on Feb 27, 2014 20:16:43 GMT
I strongly agree that it's better to be firmer at first then relax. It just doesn't work the other way round.
Jollymummy the "poo rule" made me chuckle - think I could do with that rule in my house actually as my little ones always seem to need the toilet the minute we sit down to eat tea and it drives me mad! I'd love to know how she got the children to go on command though!!
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Post by swimchic on Feb 28, 2014 14:00:17 GMT
We mirrored everything ( routine, discipline, manners etc) that the FC did and still do. Pink responds well to firm boundaries and knowing where she stands on things. But we are always there for hugs and kisses, which isn't hard for us as we love her so much!
Swimchic
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Post by chotimonkey on Mar 1, 2014 9:45:51 GMT
Hi knight, I think with intros it's best to try and remember that the assessment of you is over now and it's about you getting to know the Los and hopefully everyone is on your side wanting the placement to work. You should meet with FC and significant workers on Los life before you intros so you would be able to ask a lot of questions about what boundaries are already in place for lo and how they react to them. Like others said intros are excellent for getting to know a bit about your child and what their life is like in FC so you can try to give them as much continuity as possible... It v much depends on ur lo, some have a honeymoon period in which you can gently introduce your boundaries, some react by challenging you immediately, and some are compliant and it takes a really long time before they feel safe enough to challenge you... I think the more important thing is that you learn as much as you can about your child, what has worked previously etc so it's v difficult to decide on a definite strategy... Our three (with same bps and all removed at birth and same FC for two) all had separate intros and settling Imin periods and all reacted differently and needed different strategies to help them settle... I think you learn everything you can but don't set anything in stone about what you are going to do... If you watch carefully quite often the child will show you what they need ... Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 9:56:01 GMT
Great advice already from everyone.
Think it's best to observe FC and stick to the same rules as she has in the beginning even if you don't necessarily agree with them so that LO has consistency and isn't getting conflicting messages from you or FC. Plenty of time for changing or fine tuning things after she has come home, but in the beginning it's best to keep things the same as much as possible to minimise the change and to avoid her splitting you and FC, which is the last thing anyone needs during intro's.
I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine as you have so much experience already, but as you are going for an older child, you will know, they do sometimes try it on and push to see how much they can get away with, so you need to look out for overly controling behaviour so she knows you are not a push over.
If you have a good relationship with your FC you can normally chat about these kind of things ahead of intro's as most FC's are more than happy to do this and share their knowledge and tactics etc.
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Post by knight on Mar 1, 2014 17:32:07 GMT
Thanks again folks, all extremely helpful and great advice. As to the potentially controlling type behaviours JMK re: an older child, I got a few strategies yesterday on the course re: the theraplay activities. I'm probably over-thinking everything (which is what I do)!! x
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